Can a Printer Crease be on a Near Mint book?796
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TruckJohnson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Among other flaws, there is a clearly visible printer crease in the masthead of this Shogun Warriors #1. So what grade would you give this book? Thanks.         |
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sterlingcomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| That book has more going on than printer creases. I'm going to go out on a limb and say VF 8.0. | ||
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| It's production related, so I believe it can. They're supposed to NOT count against the grade, but can still affect its appeal/re-sale potential. But even after a press I'm thinking there may be too many color breaks along the spine to earn NM, especially on the back in all that white- may be hard to see, but if the paper fiber is broken, it'll count as color break. |
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stophmaster private msg quote post Address this user | |
| No. But this book isn't NM even without that printer crease. It's a high Fine at best in my humble opinion. Too many spine creases.... | ||
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rayne5446 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I've had a couple inch printer's crease come back as an NM-, but it was probably a NM- without the crease. It was also much more subtle than that one. | ||
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CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have a few 9.8 books with printers creases like the one in your example. | ||
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SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Yes, a NM book can have a production crease. No, that book is not "NM."  |
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roarzola private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Good question. I have a Walking Dead issue inside that has a printer crease the entire length of the book. It looks like one of those Mad Magazine fold-ins. It is about an 1/2 inch thick where the ink is printed on either side but if you unfold it, there is an an big gap of white down the middle. The comic store owner told me it shouldn't count against the grade since it is a natural occurrence during the production and not "wear and tear". I will eventually replace it because it doesn't look good and it isn't an significant issue. |
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SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The creases on the interior of some Walking Dead (and other Image books) books do count against the grade to a degree, if it is a hard definitive bend , or it breaks color. It depends on the individual copy and the severity of the bend. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts I cannot comprehend how a book with a CREASE on the cover, production or otherwise, can be considered NM. |
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stophmaster private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by roarzola Preposterous. |
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MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by stophmaster Perhaps, but production flaws such as this and Marvel Chipping are not held against the grade by the leading (and not so leading, I assume) 3rd Party grading companies. I usually avoid slabbed books that have them, unless they're 'impossible' to get without them. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by stophmaster Ugh. Getting back into grading books is a pain. Didn't see the FC action...yeah I think 6.5/7.0 might be more appropriate. CGC hasn't impacted printer creases on book grades, but your mileage will most certainty vary among the collector community as to if it should. I personally wouldn't want a 9.8 with a printer's crease. But that's the world according to me, which is fine because I'm spending the money.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS I certainly understand that grading is subjective, but in this collector's humble opinion, a flaw is a flaw...period. Just my .02. |
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stophmaster private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sterlingcomics Yep, and that's the bottom line for all of us, ain't it? Well said. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by stophmaster Indeed. The moment I opened the package and saw it, I didn't consider it a near mint book with or without the crease either. But the seller I bought it from on Ebay claimed it was. And for me it's not even close! By the way, the seller did not disclose the printer crease on the front cover. |
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stophmaster private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by TruckJohnson Ugh. eBay sellers are fast and loose with the "NM" grade, that's for sure. I hope you can get your money back! |
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JustThatGuy private msg quote post Address this user | |
| according to PGX, based on their guidelines, that book is a perfect 10.0 | ||
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matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'd grade this a 5.0. Is there also a light subscription crease on the back as well? | ||
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have a Captain America #241 with a huge subscription crease through the front cover and CGC gave it a 9.6. My understanding of that book is that it is difficult to find without the crease. I don't know how the stuff works. | ||
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poka private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by matterus023 Seems like grading is getting lower and lower. Anymore? Matterus023 - I would be curious to learn why you think this would only get a 5.0 based on covers. |
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| This book looks like a F/VFish at best. Sorry you got a raw deal and hopefully you will get your money back. Unless the eBay seller is a reputable comic book dealer (i.e., well-known or well-regarded on this Forum or the CGC Boards), be very skeptical about any claimed grade on an eBay listing and study the photos carefully. If the scans suck or if the Seller provides no returns, AVOID. | ||
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MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by stophmaster I don't disagree. I hate the things and generally avoid them, and I definitely don't let the 'Prod Flaw' classification paint my glasses rosey. They're unattractive. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by stophmaster I have always found it unfortunate that things like printers creases are not considered flaws by the grading companies. They are defects and reduce the eye appeal of a comic. Same thing for miscuts and miswraps. |
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Stronguy private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The proper term for that is a Greggy Nutsack Crease. | ||
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MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jerkfro Ug! I hate those more than printers creases! It's funny how I can look at my perfectly wrapped Hulk 181 7.0 OWW with more  than a slightly miswrapped 8.0 W |
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matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley That is very odd. Could you show me a pic. Thanks |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka It has multiple creases and small dents all over from pics. Lots of spine stress and ticks. Plus if a stubby crease on back I'd say 5.0 is about right. I have some 5.0s with simular wear. From my experience most people seem to overgrades in accordance to cbcs or cgc. Problem with grading companies though is inconsistency. Seen some 6.0s that look like 3.5's and vice versa. Many on ebay overgrades raw comics as they are aware many will take their word for it and overpay. Happens on a daily basis |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley That is the VERY common printers crease (production flaw) that most of the #241s suffer from, though there are some that don't. I'd guess the ones that don't demand top dollar. Some are more pronounced than others. Mine just extends 1.5" from the right edge. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS |
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