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| hi, thanks for writing. i totally understand where you are coming from, and i agree that you did say you weren't "concluding" anything because you couldn't be sure of the facts, but of course i was saddened by you saying you would not follow me any more. at any rate, i hold you no ill will. you were just reading, and then offering your own take as i said in my "rebuttal," the only thing i am guilty of is not providing the add'l. pictures, and you add that this is a fair criticism. but in my defense, i went and looked at the photos, and did not think my photos WERE blurry, dark, etc., and i took several diff. angles, etc., to show the book clearly. if i had gone back and saw bad pix, i wouldn't have delayed to provide better ones. or, if they had asked to see something i hadn't shown (i agree that as ebay sellers we spend a lot of time doing this), but i had shown, and well, all the areas asked about. another factor: something about the tone of the original request for better pictures was a little.... "stern," almost as if he was getting his accusations ready to hurl at me. so i factored that in, thinking, this sounds like someone who may not be easy to please. boy was i right! (even so, i stayed courteous w/him the whole time; he did NOT!) anyway, thanks much for writing. i feel better knowing you have taken my response to heart! |
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| >> Lack of wanting to provide clearer photos, and asking "where is the proof" to me has always been an indication of someone hiding something<< is it that much of a surprise to learn that it may not always be that?? in THIS case, for instance. (and i'm sure myriad others...) now if you had said an indication that someone MAY BE hiding something, that i can agree with. (but not always, and maybe not even most of the time - - and almost certainly not w/someone w/8000 positives, sorry. you're accusing me of deliberate dishonesty and it just isn't likely w/that kind of feedback. read them!!) if i was some newbie w/26 feedbacks then you'd have a much better case. i've been a frickin top rated seller for almost all my 10 yrs on ebay |
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| @smileLP Until you post a photo of the front inside cover along the spine, with decent lighting - we have nothing to discuss. If it's color touched, just note it in the listing. End of story. |
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| i agree, we have nothing to discuss you've been kind of a jerk to me, and at this point, the last thing i want is for you to buy this comic. it'll find a home elsewhere and the buyer will be thrilled w/such a nice copy |
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| one last thing: as for your claim: "[just post the photos i requested] and it will be end of story," ...that is something i disagree with it is important in addition to whatever alleged facts you are pursuing, to treat each other w/civility and respect, and to give people, esp. those w/good track records, the benefit of the doubt, before you go jumping down their throat w/hostile accusations and threats. you clearly failed in this. too may people use the anonymity of the internet to let their id's run free but good news... i'm going to turn the other cheek first and NOT report you to ebay for your abusive communiques to me. maybe the cycle of hostility can end here, and maybe you will take a tiny moment to think about what i am saying. maybe it'll give you pause before what might be your next rush-to-judgement (& hostility). (maybe not) |
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| A scanner is a good investment. | ||
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| hi, i post waaayyyy too many comics for sale for a scanner (which i have) to be practical for my day to day operations. but thanks for the suggestion. for big, big books ($3 to $10K) i sometimes do that but btw scanners only show the covers. obviously can't press down w/interior pgs or spine w/a scanner. this complainer was mostly about spine pix but more importantly, apart from this "incident," i do not get complaints about my photos. i do a good job w/them and people are happy when they get their comics. it helps that i'm a very accurate grader, so they know what they're getting almost apart from the photos. i have tons of feedback that says "spot-on grading," and "exactly as described," plus the pix help of course... but thanks for the input |
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Quote:Originally Posted by comic_book_man All that being said.....that isn't a color touch bleed through on the picture? |
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| I've seen too many sellers take deceptive photographs. A high quality front and back scan gives the buyer a better idea of what they are buying. I don't sell on eBay ever since dealing with a customer who bought a comic advertised as VF and he complained that it wasn't Mint. He wanted me to go through my stock and find a mint copy. I reminded him that he got a NM advertised as VF and told him he could buy another one if he wanted to gamble that it'd be a better condition. He dropped it at that point. Selling online is annoying. | ||
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| i will look more closely shortly. it's possible i missed something. or it could be some weird photog stuff. i'll know shortly and i promise to report the findings here—if they are "retouched." but either way, i didn't deserve the rude treatment by original poster and the "he's a cheat" summary judgement and indictment of my whole character. the way original poster found *1* bad feedback among literally thousands and then used a general statement like, "i see reports he's done this before," as if it's feedback i get frequently, is infuriating, and is such an unfair, dishonest spin—this guy could get a job working for trump (uh oh, we've gone political....) yes, you deal w/your fair share of idiots selling comics on ebay, although i must say *most* people are decent people. but in any segment of society, there are a small share of nuts/idiots |
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 past performance is no guarantee of future actions.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Paulbg2000 Could be small tear in the spine showing the black back ground?? but that would drop to fine+ range no?? |
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| @Paulbg2000 Exactly. That's why he won't provide additional photos and has been going off on some nonsensical rant on this thread for the last 5 hours. In addition to spamming my inboxes and calling me names... He has since removed the listing so that should spare some poor soul of getting screwed. First he defends the book saying it's not restored... Second he says he guarantees a refund after the refund period if its graded with restoration(sketchy and not a protected method)... Third he says "maybe I missed something"... Fourth (prediction) he will say "oops, there was some"... He says he has accurate grading with 8000+ feedback but cant see obvious bleeding color touch? Its nonsense, like most of the stories scammers make up. He spent 5 hours writing on this thread instead of the 8 seconds it takes for a photo. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics There is a small touch just above the corner too if you look closely. But the front photos are pretty obvious with the off-color fills in green at the top. |
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| I don't know...if I'm dropping $1200 I either want it graded or in my hands to evaluate. Either way not doing raw from ebay!!! | ||
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| UPDATE FROM SELLER: THE BOOK WAS, IN FACT, RETOUCHED IN SEVERAL SPOTS despite what original nasty poster claims, i simply missed it! i don't get many (i've had 1 in the last few yrs - a superman #2!) retouched books and so i don't normally focus on the insides of spines or where other clues can be found. in retrospect, this was not one of my better book-examination jobs i am admitting that the subsequent contributors' questions about possible retouch turned out to be correct, said admission, i suspect is more than original poster would do, if our positions were reversed. my only crime is i missed the retouch. none of the other accusations are true, specifically "I knew about the retouch and did not want to provide "better" photos because i wanted to hide the retouch." this was original poster's main contention and it is 100% false. the fact that there was retouch i missed, does not change the fact that original poster got very rude and hostile with me, and continues to do so. frankly, if he hadn't been such a jerk from his first few emails, i might well have taken time to re-examine the book at that point he is still spinning lies. he just now wrote that i took the book off ebay because i didn't want others to see how i was "lying." the truth is, my books run for 1 month as buy it now, and coincidentally it came off sale today. this worked out conveniently, since i used the oppty to re-examine the book and discover my error i have since corrected the listing and made it clear about the retouch, not to mention lowering the price $800. any honest dealer could do no less while i am not proud of missing the retouch, i am proud that i conducted myself with utter civility, seeing this issue through from start to finish. as for the original jerk who jumped down my throat and started accusing me of deliberately lying and then making up other facts—the latest being that i took the book down so others couldn't see my "lies"—you are cordially invited to G.F.Y. i have nothing but the utmost respect for my customers, and try to treat them with 100% integrity. as i mentioned, the 8000 positive feedbacks says i am achieving that goal. this was one that slipped through the cracks. had someone bought it, i would have apologized and given an immediate refund, and then re-examined the book. things happen in this world. all we can do is try to treat each other with respect and dignity. original poster failed this test. he now accuses me of spending hours on this (which i did), but implies i should let him get away w/calling me a crook, while he, btw, spends the same # of hours keeping up w/all of this and making more stuff up look, he's just written this, all lies, all completely basically calling me a lying thief, out to cheat people, based strictly on his own flawed and invented suppositions. yeh, i "went berserk" after being called these things. i should have just taken it, even though they were 100% false. he sites all these other genuine scammers and throws me in w/them despite any proof that i lied on purpose. >>The seller in this thread case just went berserk, hadn't seen that before but hey go crazy. At least he removed the listing or eBay did after I reported it. I've pointed out in my other threads exposing eBay scammers that feedback #s, 30 day returns, etc don't always mean the seller is honest. A scammer wins when they put stress on you to "fight" a case, argue a return, etc. Conflict is intimidating & off-putting. They always have a back door by giving you a discount, or just hoping you "missed it" in your excitement of owning a new book.<< thanks to all who chimed in in support of my comments. i am a very honest person, and i leave you now w/the above honest accounting, such honesty being typical of how i try to conduct my affairs. the bottom line here is i in no way deserve the thread headline, "another ebay scammer," and that is why i have spent so much time fighting all this |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomicsI couldn't agree more. I have had an equal scammer to honest seller ratio on eBay. I always give the seller the benefit of the doubt because I know eBay favors buyers, usually by asking for clarity on description/price/shipping/photos/etc. When they start to come up with some crazy story and refuse to provide anything...best to avoid and shop elsewhere. The seller in this thread case just went berserk, hadn't seen that before but hey go crazy. At least he removed the listing or eBay did after I reported it. I've pointed out in my other threads exposing eBay scammers that feedback #s, 30 day returns, etc don't always mean the seller is honest. A scammer wins when they put stress on you to "fight" a case, argue a return, etc. Conflict is intimidating & off-putting. They always have a back door by giving you a discount, or just hoping you "missed it" in your excitement of owning a new book. |
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| ...and BOOM, case resolved. The seller has relisted confirming the color touch, after trying to up-sell me on it's unaltered/original condition for $1,200 and making a scene on the CBCS Forums... https://www.ebay.com/itm/SILVER-SURFER-1-Kirby-Tight-Bright-Super-Glossy-VF-Some-Color-Retouch/163382446582?hash=item260a5a49f6:g:Z5wAAOSwH2Vbykrg:rk:1:pf:0   My personal favorite was when he described the corner color touch as a "reflection" or "slight whitening"(whatever this means).  |
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| @smileLP thanks for getting to the bottom of this and reporting back. I hope this finally clears things up. I am sorry you had to go through all the harassment. I’m sure things could have been resolved more amicably if there had been more discussion and fewer accusations. I wish you well with your future sales. | ||
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| thanks. i agree w/everything you said. if we act nice to each other, resist our human tendancy to be jerks, we'll all get a lot more done. all i can do is try to be ethical and honest, and treat people w/respect, and hope (although sometimes unsuccessfully) to be treated the same way unfortunately, original poster just doesn't get it and only wants to spread more lies. his newest post, which still implies i deliberately tried to sell a flawed copy as unflawed: >> The seller has relisted confirming the color touch, after trying to up-sell me on it's unaltered/original condition for $1,200 and making a scene on the CBCS Forums... << thx again! |
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| I was shopping for a Hulk #2 one day and had to give a retailer the bad news that their copy was missing a page. The retailer's face turned pale and they were embarrassed. Many retailers just go by the outward visual appearance. It's one reason I look at the books myself and buy in person. | ||
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| X51, that is exactly what happened here. we all know it's always possible for a page or an ad to be out or clipped, not to mention relatively small retouch issues, but 99.9% of the time it's not the case, so we hope for the best and just give the comic the regular condition review. once in a while, we learn we missed something (which just happened to me.) it's part of the comic selling bsns. it sounds like you and the hulk seller handled it as well as could be expected. (original poster could learn from you two about a civil approach.) shit happens. stay calm. be civil! if i missed stuff like this all the time, it might say something about my abilities as a comic seller, but this is really the first time something like this has happened to me in.... forever/never? (as i mentioned i bought a superman 2 in amazing shape for $5K, and only later learned it had been restored, when it came back "restored" from CGC, but that's a diff. matter; i never advertised it til it was already slabbed) | ||
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| @Hexigore If you are suggesting I harassed anyone, I did not. I offered to buy the book and requested additional photos of what looks like color touch. He refused...since he wasn't disclosing the color touch in the listing, I posted it here to protect others. He spammed my inbox on here & on eBay, and went on a rant to defend himself from saying "not restored" to saying "restored" - doesn't mean I or others have the same trust for him going forward. His feedback reflects a recent pattern of deception, 2-4/8000 or not. Anyways, Happy Thanksgiving week all. Shop online safely! @X51 @KatKomics @Paulbg2000 @shrewbeer @BrianGreensnips @Ganasoth @Nuffsaid111 @JMR @Drogio @GAC @Ghostridercomics76   |
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| jeez, this is getting tiresome. i have never read such a pack of lies. every single thing he says here is a LIE i understand we're all defensive creatures at heart, but this is carrying things too far. YOU know these are lies/exxagerations and untruths. now go find a mirror and explain what you're doing to that guy worst lie: i challenge anyone to look at my feedback and conclude "a recent pattern of deception." runner up: "spammed his inbox?" i answered each of his emails w/a single email. he started w/the rude accusations about my character, not i >>@Hexigore If you are suggesting I harassed anyone, I did not. I offered to buy the book and requested additional photos of what looks like color touch. He refused...since he wasn't disclosing the color touch in the listing, I posted it here to protect others. He spammed my inbox on here & on eBay, and went on a rant to defend himself from saying "not restored" to saying "restored" - doesn't mean I or others have the same trust for him going forward. His feedback reflects a recent pattern of deception, 2-4/8000 or not.<< |
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| i apologize to all this has gotten so big/long/boring i will do the honorable thing and sincerely apologize if this was annoying to any of you, and hereby refrain from returning to this thread be warned: more lies are coming from comic_dick_man. it's like that old joke, how can you tell when a lawyer (or comic_jerk_man) is lying? (surely you know the answer? if not, ask around) it also works for "politician" |
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| Usually, when two people disagree, the truth is somewhere in the middle. You both need to practice my routine at restaurants. Use the nastiest and meanest tone, but only say nice things and give compliments to the server. It really confuses them. It also gives you insight into how people react to the tone of a message and sometimes completely disregard what is actually being said. When I was shopping for a Hulk #2, I knew that I knew more about comics than the people who owned the shop. I had bought a long box of low grade 50's books in the prior year and I had to count pages and sort out a lot of incomplete books after determining the keys were complete. It really takes time and discipline to properly evaluate the worth of a comic. Most buyers are trusting the seller, so the seller has a lot more responsibility to properly price and represent the comics they are selling. It's also a reason some retailers get burnt out and regret their career choice. When you are buying... and that goes for anyone be it retailer or collector... you have to be careful. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by X51LOL Yeah well, what else can I do when a seller refuses to disclose color touch? Alert the forums! I don't buy the "oops" attitude he brought in last minute, when he defended that there was no color touch instead of just looking inside the book or taking a photo. (insert poop emoji) @X51 Oh and I meant to reply to you earlier about your days as an artist - my brother in law is an aspiring writer & is actually putting together his first comic book soon. We talk about it all the time so hearing your story reminded me of him. He showed me some of the artists sketches and drawings, many of which were varying in their completion status. I can see what you mean by the perspective and I guess the "architecture" of the art as opposed to just the prettiness of it. If art isn't a glimpse of the human soul I don't know what is...music...anything expressive should be cherished & protected. I wish I was a gifted artist, but alas stick figures are my burden to bear. |
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| For what it is worth - nowadays a phone camera takes as good a picture as a scanner - it all depends on the resolution applied. | ||
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| @comic_book_man I would say extremely good catch that the book had been color touched. You have a sharp eye for details. @smileLP I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Personally, It takes more than one instance to be deemed as a scammer. So unless someone can provide earlier instances then I am good. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka As always, you are right and a fair judge. The title of scammer might of been a bit assumptive of me, although when he refused photos and had no plans to check the book or adjust the listing - it just felt natural. Maybe he is just a fooling fool. By that I mean both the noun & verb where he was both unwise & deceiving. @poka Even if I am not seen on the forum as a deliverer of justice, and this seller righted their wrong, at the very least I feel like I brought attention to the matter - otherwise the book would of just sold as unrestored which doesn't seem right. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Resolution is not the issue. It's the skewing of the images and the poor angles used. A scanner gives flat images at the right proportions. |
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