What do you guys think of this? (Re: CGC Crossover)7873
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| I just got an e-mail from CGC, as I am taking advantage of the crossover promotion: 1) Marvel Tales #106: Currently PGX 9.8, estimated by CGC to be 9.6-9.8. 2) ASM #129: Currently PGX 8.5, estimated by CGC to be 8.0 w/ pressing (CGC recommended). So, on the Marvel Tales #106, it looks like PGX actually got one right. On the ASM #129, I was fairly certain it was going to come in lower, but I thought I would drop by points-plural, not a half. The recommendation on pressing to try and salvage the grade has me conflicted. On the one hand, paying a couple extra bucks to keep the grade score as high as possible on this book is a foregone conclusion. On the other hand...it does feel a little shady. "(Ray Liotta as Henry from Goodfellas) Hey, that's a nice grade! Be a shame if anything happened to it. If it were pressed, maybe it would stay the same. Incidentally, we have an in-house pressing service that could take care of that for you...for a price." While I'm going to take advantage of the pressing service, I don't know if its entirely ethical to dangle the possibility on what a grade "could" be, but only if additional services/fees are added. I'm obviously biased as the self-interested party; I want that ASM #129 to grade out as highly as possible (who wouldn't?), but I'm aware that "could" allows for a lot of variables. |
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| I don't think it's crazy pgx got one right...especially a 9.8.m it's the lower grades and skills in detecting restoration and conservation is where pgx is the most inconsistent. Imagine cgc saying "hey, you're going to get a lower grade!" Then have it also come back restored as well...ha! | ||
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
This might shock everyone. They can always make it exactly what they said it would be. It's going right back into a slab.  |
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BabaLament private msg quote post Address this user | |
@Drogio Yeah; but imagine if it worked out in your favor? Submitting New Mutants #1 & getting Marvel Graphic Novel #4 back instead.  |
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SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| we have seen the preestimates we now need to see the final grades on those same books. Also scans of before and after would be appreciated to give a truthful opinion on what CGC is doing. | ||
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BabaLament private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @SpiderTim I asked the mods if I could do before/after photos on this, and was told no. The photo ban on PGX shall not be lifted. | ||
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by BabaLament Bad example for me. I bought them both when they came out for cover price. |
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| What's next? Is CGC going to lower the grade and say they were all damaged by the holder? Are they reverse engineering the CBCS holder? Will there be a marketing campaign saying "1000 of our competitor's customers changed their mind and switched to our service"? |
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BabaLament private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by X51 I'd be amazed if something along these lines did not show up in promotional materials at some point in the near future. |
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the420bandito private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Both of these were subbed using the Crossover service. I am quite happy with the results considering they were half price to grade and didn't come back purple. All in with shipping and fees it cost $84 for these two. This one was PGX 5.0 with the same PQ. The book dropped .5 in grade. I didn't get any refund so I guess they will just credit my account?  This was a PGX 4.0 with Light Tan-OW pages. It kept the same grade and got a PQ bump.  |
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Helric1 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @the420bandito I talked to CGC customer service the other day. They said they credit your account but will refund your money if you request it. I got the money credited back to my card today | ||
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 Moderators handing out titles: Boom. Roasted.
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Hcanes private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I had a few slabs from "the guy in the garage" that I bought below GPA. One came back a 9.8 no press after being signed twice. The other went from a 9.6 to 9.8 Sometimes you get lucky other times you do not. My raw Uncanny X-Force 18 signed by Jerome Opena coming back an 8.5 was one of those cases. |
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BabaLament private msg quote post Address this user | |
ASM #129 shipped; CGC 8.5. Will post photos when it arrives. I'm happy with the quality/grading of my CBCS books, so I'm leaving them alone, but I'm all about PGX to CGC conversion.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BabaLament The problem isn't that it is unethical in and of itself ... the problem is the appearance and possibility of unethical behavior. I think CGC has proven that they can be unethical on the margins. And I definitely believe they don't have any controls to watch for unconscious bias. They make lots of money through unconscious bias. For example, I've noticed a small but distinct difference between grades that were pressed by CCS and not pressed by CCS (even if pressed by someone else). I don't think most graders do that on purpose, but I definitely believe they know which books are pressed by CCS. And that almost certainly influences their judgment. Congratulations on your grades! I might have to take a chance on some PGX books myself. |
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