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Collector 2.96K	2.96K BabaLament private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	I just got an e-mail from CGC, as I am taking advantage of the crossover promotion: 1) Marvel Tales #106: Currently PGX 9.8, estimated by CGC to be 9.6-9.8. 2) ASM #129: Currently PGX 8.5, estimated by CGC to be 8.0 w/ pressing (CGC recommended). So, on the Marvel Tales #106, it looks like PGX actually got one right. On the ASM #129, I was fairly certain it was going to come in lower, but I thought I would drop by points-plural, not a half. The recommendation on pressing to try and salvage the grade has me conflicted. On the one hand, paying a couple extra bucks to keep the grade score as high as possible on this book is a foregone conclusion. On the other hand...it does feel a little shady. "(Ray Liotta as Henry from Goodfellas) Hey, that's a nice grade! Be a shame if anything happened to it. If it were pressed, maybe it would stay the same. Incidentally, we have an in-house pressing service that could take care of that for you...for a price." While I'm going to take advantage of the pressing service, I don't know if its entirely ethical to dangle the possibility on what a grade "could" be, but only if additional services/fees are added. I'm obviously biased as the self-interested party; I want that ASM #129 to grade out as highly as possible (who wouldn't?), but I'm aware that "could" allows for a lot of variables.
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Originally Posted by BabaLament
While I'm going to take advantage of the pressing service, I don't know if its entirely ethical to dangle the possibility on what a grade "could" be, but only if additional services/fees are added. I'm obviously biased as the self-interested party; I want that ASM #129 to grade out as highly as possible (who wouldn't?), but I'm aware that "could" allows for a lot of variables.

The problem isn't that it is unethical in and of itself ... the problem is the appearance and possibility of unethical behavior.

I think CGC has proven that they can be unethical on the margins. And I definitely believe they don't have any controls to watch for unconscious bias. They make lots of money through unconscious bias. For example, I've noticed a small but distinct difference between grades that were pressed by CCS and not pressed by CCS (even if pressed by someone else). I don't think most graders do that on purpose, but I definitely believe they know which books are pressed by CCS. And that almost certainly influences their judgment.

Congratulations on your grades! I might have to take a chance on some PGX books myself.

Collector 7.7K	7.7K Drogio private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I don't think it's crazy pgx got one right...especially a 9.8.m it's the lower grades and skills in detecting restoration and conservation is where pgx is the most inconsistent. Imagine cgc saying "hey, you're going to get a lower grade!" Then have it also come back restored as well...ha!
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Collector 14.74K	14.74K X51 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	This might shock everyone. They can always make it exactly what they said it would be. It's going right back into a slab.
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Collector 3.24K	3.24K SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	we have seen the preestimates we now need to see the final grades on those same books. Also scans of before and after would be appreciated to give a truthful opinion on what CGC is doing.
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Collector 14.74K	14.74K X51 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by BabaLament @Drogio Yeah; but imagine if it worked out in your favor? Submitting New Mutants #1 & getting Marvel Graphic Novel #4 back instead. Bad example for me. I bought them both when they came out for cover price.
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Collector 14.74K	14.74K X51 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	What's next? Is CGC going to lower the grade and say they were all damaged by the holder? Are they reverse engineering the CBCS holder? Will there be a marketing campaign saying "1000 of our competitor's customers changed their mind and switched to our service"?
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Captain Accident 11.12K	11.12K the420bandito private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Both of these were subbed using the Crossover service. I am quite happy with the results considering they were half price to grade and didn't come back purple. All in with shipping and fees it cost $84 for these two. This one was PGX 5.0 with the same PQ. The book dropped .5 in grade. I didn't get any refund so I guess they will just credit my account? This was a PGX 4.0 with Light Tan-OW pages. It kept the same grade and got a PQ bump.
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Collector 6.72K	6.72K Helric1 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@the420bandito I talked to CGC customer service the other day. They said they credit your account but will refund your money if you request it. I got the money credited back to my card today
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Collector 5.19K	5.19K Hcanes private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I had a few slabs from "the guy in the garage" that I bought below GPA. One came back a 9.8 no press after being signed twice. The other went from a 9.6 to 9.8 Sometimes you get lucky other times you do not. My raw Uncanny X-Force 18 signed by Jerome Opena coming back an 8.5 was one of those cases.
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Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock 7.34K	7.34K Tedsaid private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by BabaLament While I'm going to take advantage of the pressing service, I don't know if its entirely ethical to dangle the possibility on what a grade "could" be, but only if additional services/fees are added. I'm obviously biased as the self-interested party; I want that ASM #129 to grade out as highly as possible (who wouldn't?), but I'm aware that "could" allows for a lot of variables. The problem isn't that it is unethical in and of itself ... the problem is the appearance and possibility of unethical behavior. I think CGC has proven that they can be unethical on the margins. And I definitely believe they don't have any controls to watch for unconscious bias. They make lots of money through unconscious bias. For example, I've noticed a small but distinct difference between grades that were pressed by CCS and not pressed by CCS (even if pressed by someone else). I don't think most graders do that on purpose, but I definitely believe they know which books are pressed by CCS. And that almost certainly influences their judgment. Congratulations on your grades! I might have to take a chance on some PGX books myself.
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