What do you guys think of this? (Re: CGC Crossover)7873
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RyanHicks private msg quote post Address this user | |
So someone just posted this response they got from CGC regarding a submission for their crossover service: In my experience, CBCS has pretty much always been tighter than CGC so the fact that every one of CGC's estimates are projected same or lower than the current CBCS grade seems a little "off" to me. Is this CGC's way of trying to project that they grade tighter than CBCS? Assuming the actual graders are not privy to the fact that this order is a CBCS crossover order, i am expecting that he will get grades back at or higher than the current CBCS grade (making the email estimate incorrect). What do you guys think? Do others feel the same way about CGC's grading vs CBCS? I'm looking for honest discussion/insight here not just blatant bashing of CGC or CBCS. |
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BSeldin305 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just submitted a CGC graded 9.6 book, it was signed and cased by CBCS. It graded out at 9.6. IMHO, they view/grade a book's imperfections differently. |
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vacaboca private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Given that they are providing grading estimates on books that are still in CBCS slabs, there's no way for them to give an accurate grade nor for them to do so without some sort of conscious or subconscious bias. Not to mention that the marketing push around this effort provides a clear incentive for them to gain advantage through any and all communications (public and private) around it... It all stinks to me. I don't have a real dog in this fight - I prefer to get my books slabbed through CBCS for a variety of reasons, but buy and hold plenty of CGC slabs, too. This particular "crossover" promotion just strikes me as inherently conflicted and more likely to be a propaganda tool than an honest service. |
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I assume they are still charging for the grading estimate. If so: 1) Estimating the same or worse grade makes it appear that CBCS is less strict on grading. 2) They make money just by receiving the book, looking at the grade, sending an email. There is no way I'd pay two companies to grade the same book unless I just felt the first grade was inept. Oh wait... that's why CGC will never grade another book I own. |
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Paulbg2000 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'd love to see the PGX estimates... | ||
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Helric1 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Paulbg2000 Here's a few. All 7 are PGX books. (the one at the top of the second photo is Rulah #19) I would actually prefer these be CBCS graded but considering the cost I couldn't pass up getting these out of the PGX slabs. It will be disappointing if they all do go down, but if they don't get restored labels I'm fine with it. And any that do go down only cost ten bucks for the grading.   |
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| are we to understand that CGC are providing grade estimates based on CBCS graders notes? it's like getting a quote for a car where the grade is like the price....seems shady unless theres more to that communication. | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I might be misremembering, but I think the grading fee was reduced if it came back lower than the original grade. So they can tempt people in with the potential of a cheap regrade then bill them the regular rate if it comes back the same or higher. Although why would you want your book to be regraded if you think it's going to come back lower? Honesty is great but I don't think many are that altruistic. Assuming it's CBCS; free those PGX, sure. |
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moodswing private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk I would think a lower graded cgc would hold more value than a pgx book ha. |
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Helric1 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk It's $10 if the grade goes down |
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leesoul21 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This email could also be interpreted as “we man handle books when cracking open slabs” 🤷🏻♂️ I mean maybe I’m the only one who read it as “All these comics within these slabs will grade no higher and could grade lower once we crack them open.” | ||
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RyanHicks private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The PGX estimates, i totally understand would be lower because PGX notoriously under-grades; but with CBCS, i thought it was pretty widely known in the grading community that CBCS was tighter/stricter than CGC so to see CGC's estimates all coming back with lower grades than CBCS indicates to me that maybe CGC is trying to make it look like they grade tighter than CBCS....like i said in my original post, i'd be willing to bet that when that guy gets those books back, they will actually be graded equivalent or higher than CBCS (just based on what i've seen) | ||
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Helric1 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| After I received the email with the estimates I asked if the graders would have any knowledge that it's a crossover submission. I was told that when the graders get the books for the true grading they don't have any of the old slab info. So I am curious to see how close they come to the estimates. | ||
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the420bandito private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just submitted 3 PGX books for this service. Of course they are all estimated to go down in grade. I don't mind as I want these books regardless of grade. Photos to be posted when they arrive. pgx 4.0 = estimated 3.0-3.5 pgx 4.0 = estimated 3.5-4.0 pgx 5.0 = estimated 4.0-4.5 |
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 I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Look, I have only submitted books from my personal collection to CBCS for grading and encapsulation. But like most of you, I own and purchase plenty of CGC slabs. Here's my take on this promotion. One of the big selling points is, if the grade goes down, the fee is only $10 per book. So of course they are going to "pre-grade" lower than the CBCS grade so that the person thinks it is only going to cost $10. (In my opinion, the entire idea of trying to predict a grade for a book inside a slab is dishonest anyway!) So low-ball the grade on a correspondence asking the client to okay the re-slabbing, then when the actual grade matches the original CBCS grade, the client pays the higher amount. Can you say SCAM all the way to the bank? Seriously, I wonder if they even look at the original slabs, or if they will even re-grade the books. Just slap it in their "superior Newton-ringed to death" slabs and give it the original grade. Done, where's my money? |
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1243782365 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My ASM 129 came back a CBCS 7.0 - it sucked. I gave up on the book and got a really goofy signature on it and it came back CGC 8.5. Only time I've done it. |
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moodswing private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by the420bandito Curious what your overall cost was. |
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RyanHicks private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 1243782365 This has been my experience on multiple occasions; i have had books go both ways and going CBCS to CGC i pretty much always get equivalent grade or higher (more often equivalent grade) but going CGC to CBCS its either equivalent or lower (i'd say 50/50 between equivalent and lower) |
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poka private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My understanding of the cross-over service is 1) CGC grader provide an estimate while book still in skab. Obviosly, they will know the current grade. 2) if you decide not to move forward after receiving the estimated grade, books will be returned to you with you paying shipping cost 3) if book is estimated lower and you proceed you will pay $10 for grading 4) if book is spestimated same or higher grade - you will pay the cross-over fee |
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Wraith private msg quote post Address this user | |
| They probably need to be conservative with their estimate of grading.. If they said ' we estimate it will grade at 9.2' but it came back at 8.5 the owner would be complaining they had been misled into paying for a downgraded slab where they would have just asked it returned. The only way to really know how their grades compare need to see slab to slab comparisons of before and after |
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Paulbg2000 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This was my cynical opinion when the promo started...just wondering if anyone else thinks that this promotion is to clear out their old holder stock that generate newton rings to make room for the new model?! I mean...grade goes down...$10 and they unload another problematic case from their stock... |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo This!!!! |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Why the estimated grade though? the book is already professionally graded (exception being PGX)...the hubris of this company is astounding | ||
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If CBCS would institute a Registry, this swapping out of slabs would probably grind to a halt. Why would any one spend good money just to switch labels and chance getting a slab with a built in laser light show or oil slick... depending on which way you would want to spin it. | ||
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Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by RyanHicks CBCS isn't going to grade lower or the same relative to cgc 100% of the time. I'd be curious to know how many books this person submitted and others to know what % of cbcs books this is actually occurring. Both with the screening then the final grade, as a screening is preliminary and the final grade could go up or down. My speculation is that cgc may be erroring on the side of caution here and screeners may have been instructed to provide conservative grade estimates. So although this makes for interesting banter and speculation, these are only 4 books out of hundreds or thousands and not a final grade. Keep that in mind. Also, I think it's actually good news that cbcs is within 0.5 of cgc grades...that gives me confidence in cbcs skills....pgx on the other hand... |
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BabaLament private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just got an e-mail from CGC, as I am taking advantage of the crossover promotion: 1) Marvel Tales #106: Currently PGX 9.8, estimated by CGC to be 9.6-9.8. 2) ASM #129: Currently PGX 8.5, estimated by CGC to be 8.0 w/ pressing (CGC recommended). So, on the Marvel Tales #106, it looks like PGX actually got one right. On the ASM #129, I was fairly certain it was going to come in lower, but I thought I would drop by points-plural, not a half. The recommendation on pressing to try and salvage the grade has me conflicted. On the one hand, paying a couple extra bucks to keep the grade score as high as possible on this book is a foregone conclusion. On the other hand...it does feel a little shady. "(Ray Liotta as Henry from Goodfellas) Hey, that's a nice grade! Be a shame if anything happened to it. If it were pressed, maybe it would stay the same. Incidentally, we have an in-house pressing service that could take care of that for you...for a price." While I'm going to take advantage of the pressing service, I don't know if its entirely ethical to dangle the possibility on what a grade "could" be, but only if additional services/fees are added. I'm obviously biased as the self-interested party; I want that ASM #129 to grade out as highly as possible (who wouldn't?), but I'm aware that "could" allows for a lot of variables. |
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Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don't think it's crazy pgx got one right...especially a 9.8.m it's the lower grades and skills in detecting restoration and conservation is where pgx is the most inconsistent. Imagine cgc saying "hey, you're going to get a lower grade!" Then have it also come back restored as well...ha! | ||
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
This might shock everyone. They can always make it exactly what they said it would be. It's going right back into a slab.  |
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BabaLament private msg quote post Address this user | |
@Drogio Yeah; but imagine if it worked out in your favor? Submitting New Mutants #1 & getting Marvel Graphic Novel #4 back instead.  |
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SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| we have seen the preestimates we now need to see the final grades on those same books. Also scans of before and after would be appreciated to give a truthful opinion on what CGC is doing. | ||
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