Staple rust removal-is there a simple fix?7614
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Bought an old golden age wonder woman last evening with the proverbial staple rust thing happening...is there a simple trick to remove the rust or slow it down or is this a taboo topic in line with cleaning and pressing...thoughts or input? Sorry in advance if it breaks the rules to ask this. | ||
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Zevgoli private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Change the staples. | ||
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If i understand correctly that alters the original printed codition and would count as restoration and the book would take a hit for it in grading | ||
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| Staples can be dry cleaned. Depending on the condition of them, results will vary. Got pics? |
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 Pictures? We don't need no stinking pictures.
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| I have never replaced staples, but couldn't it be done without being detected? Sounds easier than trying to remove the rust. | ||
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| @brysb Replacement staples will show signs of being unbent and “re-bent”. Also, the indents made by the original staples on the centrefold won’t line-up exactly, potentially exposing the switch. |
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| I am also wondering if it would require a particular type staple that is no longer manufactured. Those golden age books were thick and big. Knowing my luck they were manufactured only during full moons on even numbered months and used a process since lost. The metal was likely mined from some remote cliff face in the Andes mountains since lost in landslides, by people who no longer reside in the area. The staples themselves probably had special etchings copied from areas of the Nazca lines since lost to erosion. The metal was probably transported here using refitted German submarines from world war 2 which have since all sunk. When it arrived it probably went to a special plant that required a sixty four level security code to access and used special titanium vibranium plated molds for the staples . They were probably manufactured in precise numbers two or three at a time and numerically registered to each issue they were made for by a special squad of....well you get the idea |
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  This is the book I am dealing with. It hasn't arrived yet but already making some plans to clean and fix it up a bit. It sold at 3.0 grade but I compared it to this one online and thinking that was a bit low even as is.   If the graded copy hit 4.0 I think I have a really good shot at same. |
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| darkseid that was brilliant. literally had tears from laughing and almost couldn't breathe due to it. thank you. will make my day today | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town I think the Vibranium staples were used only on the Marvel books... I believe the D.C. books used Inertron Staples... |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think you are right..do you remember which company used energon to power the staple molders? | ||
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| @Darkseid_of_town those staples are beyond a simple dry clean. I would recommend replacement. Looking like that they may even break if you try to un-bend them. Regardless, they NEED to go before the rust migrates into the paper (then your grade hit is much worse) Yes, the staples are unique, but all you have to do is purchase a book from the same company in the same year. Piles of such books are usually available for a few bucks in the "kids" section of your LCS back issues. Beat up reader copies. Note that you will likely get a notation on your label "staples replaced", unless you have a pro do it and do it well. |
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Pictures? We don't need no stinking pictures.
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brysb private msg quote post Address this user | |
What shrewbeer said...I was just going to suggest that.  |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think an.important point you are missing is that is Wonder Woman 16 from 1946. I seriously don't know many shops that have supposed reader copies of books that old for a few bucks. I'm sure something can be found but it won't be easy nor cheap | ||
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 I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town If you do a search on ebay for DC Coverless Comics and filter for Golden Age Comics, you can see some candidates for less than $20 shipped. Mycomicshop also has several coverless candidates, but you would spend over $30 before shipping. |
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| Now that is solid, thanks Shrewbeer and Esarvo for the leads....gives me a direction to go in. | ||
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| now the ten million dollar question...does anyone thing the staples are different from say DC or Timely or another publisher from 1946? Thinking I need to play it safe and shoot for a golden age DC book |
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CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Darkseid_of_town You should also be prepared to receive a “conserved” label should you wish to have the book graded again. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo Might finally be a market for my remainder comics. Marty |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town My LCS has old beat up copies of dell gold key etc. 40s and 50s. Nobody wants them, so in the kids section for a buck they go. Something like that would be worth looking to see if the staples match You’re right though’46 will be tougher to find cheap |
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck According to Overstreet: "Any staple can be replaced on books up to Fine, but only vintage staples can be used on books from Very Fine to Near Mint. Mint books must have original staples." Could a grader from CBCS let us know if they follow the Overstreet guidelines or use another for staple replacement? Also, does staple replacement get mentioned on the label, and does it also make the book be identified as either Conserved or Restored? Thanks |
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Zevgoli private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Like I said...change the staples. | ||
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| @esaravo Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo @esaravo Don’t take my word for it  .Here’s a previous quote from Tim Bildhauser: “By CBCS standards, replaced staples fall into the category of Conservation and are notated as such on the label.” |
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| Might have missed it, but any rust migration into the paper? | ||
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
I do not have the book in hand yet, only won it this past MCS auction, but from what little I can see of the spine in the images its hard to say....their description "•Staple rust. Cover and centerfold detached at one staple. "  From the pictures hard to see which staple is blown, but guessing the upper. |
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| Top staple separated. There is some rust mitigation into the paper. | ||
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Which to me says change them and take the hit for it. They will know regardless | ||
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