Star Wars #2 (Is it Han & Chewy 1st Appearance?)7220
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I see sellers labeling this book as the 1st appearance of Han Solo & Chewy. I do not see anything noted on the CGC Label reflecting that claim. Mycomicshop's description also does not note it being first appearances either. Im assuming they had some other cameo appearances else where? Thanks John |
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| Cbcs says so | ||
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| According to Gocollect.com, "Second issue to series; A New Hope: Part 2 of 6; First appearance of Jabba the Hutt; First appearance of Han Solo & Chewbacca" | ||
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
 Is this a different Book from a different series? |
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Paulbg2000 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Yes.... Luke, Leia, Obi Wan, R2-D2 and C3PO appeared in issue 1... Han and Chewie were introduced in Issue 2. |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The Book I showed above is Issue #2 | ||
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Paulbg2000 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 That's the correct book. |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If its the correct book why is it not noted on the label? | ||
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Paulbg2000 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Not sure...I mean technically Han was on the cover of issue #1, but he wasn't in the actual book. clickable text |
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
Here is a scan of my CBCS #2: It does state it is the first appearance of Han, Chewie, Jabba, and the Millenium Falcon. |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Something odd is going on then. Why does cgc not recognize these first appearances on their label. Ive looked at multiple cgc Books on Ebay and none note these first appearances. MCS description also doesn't note first appearances on either book. Issue #1 is the same way. No mention on their labels.  Then the CBCS slabs do recognize them?   Is there a dispute about this that Im not aware of? |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| PGX also does note the first appearances | ||
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Homer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This is nothing more than a movie adaptation, not original material. Han Solo is on the cover of issue #1 anyways. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Paulbg2000 By that logic Amazing Spiderman 796 Comic Exposure Crain Variant is the first appearance of the red goblin. |
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Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Let's just cut to the chase...if you want it noted on the label, send it in to cbcs. CGC loses yet again. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Homer But it is the first time these characters were in comic book print? If not what is? Are you saying because its the Movie adaptation that excludes it as being First appearances in comic books? If that is true, then their first appearances would be the first time they appeared with original comic book material? And those issues would be????? Quote: Originally Posted by Drogio I don't have the books at all to send to anybody, and this is not a CGC vs CBCS thing. I started the thread looking to clarify why there is a discrepancy here? Everyone knows the First Appearance of the Kingpin is ASM #50. That is universally accepted by EVERYBODY in the hobby. So WHY the Gray area here with these Star Wars Issues?????????? Is it as Homer says? Not original material because its a movie Adaptation? Were these characters previously in ANY other printed comic book format? I got more questions now that when I started  |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Anybody have a legitimate explanation? | ||
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SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The Star Wars #1 comic actually came out before the release of the movie. We designate it because it's their first appearance in a comic. We really don't care what other grading companies, publications, or websites list it as. It is what it is and we put that on the label. This is certainly not the only instance of this type of thing in the comic world. Harley Quinn was in cartoons long before she was in Batman Adventures 12. Other grading companies call that her first appearance. We just try to apply these rules as consistently as possible. |
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| This has been brought up on the other boards several times. No real consensus as to why there's no notation on the label beyond the idea that #1 is a "key" and #2-6 are necessary to have the complete movie adaptation. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts Thanks Steve Now we're getting somewhere! So if the "nay sayers" don't recognize it as such....... What do they recognize as their first appearance? Or do they simply not have one in their eyes? Quote: Originally Posted by steveinthecity I would hardly call issue #2, with 1st appearances of Han Solo, Chewy, Jabba and the Millennium Falcon a common Non-Key book only necessary to have the complete 6 part run. OK then.... Im most definately in the Camp that these are their First Comic Book appearances and should be duly noted on any label. I guess Ive never been in the loop on any of this Star wars discussion. So my ignorance will not allow you guys to let me off the hook just yet  YES...... I do have another question IS issue #7 the first NEW Star Wars material in comic book form? Thanks again to everybody who has commented Regards John |
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SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user | |
| In reference to #7, yes, and we note it on our label. I think it's phrased like "first expanded universe material," or something along that line. No idea if anyone else notes it. Nor do I care. We are correct with the comment on this book. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Yep - CBCS is correct with regard to Star Wars. Never noticed or looked before but even as far in as issue #42 CBCS notes it as 1st Boba Fete...CGC....nothing..just "part 4 of Empire Strikes Back" |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics That would seem to make sense to me. So would it be correct to say that Issues #7 to #38 are all New original material? Then #39 - 44 (Empire Strikes Back Adaptation) Then #45 onward resumes back to original new material? I scan through the books on MCS and I did not see "Return of the Jedi" from 1983 in the comic book run. Why No return of the Jedi? or maybe I scanned past it accidentally. |
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| Overstreet lists Star Wars 1-6 as the movie adaptation, which is correct. The comics would not exist if they did not make the film. The film was not an adaptation of the comics, like Walking Dead is. Trivia would agree that they would be first comic book appearances, but is it really the primary job of a grading company to answer trivia questions on the label? In todays first appearance driven market, some may say so. | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @BigRedOne1944 I don't think Return of the Jedi was in the normal Star Wars series...it was a 4 part mini issues 1 to 4. | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| 2001 A Space Odyssey must be the same scenario as what's being discussed here. What does a #1 CGC label and CBCS label say? It may provide a clue to the reasons why. | ||
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Homer Im not sure I agree that the comics would not exist if the film had not been made. Quote: Originally Posted by SteveRicketts Even more so after finding out the comic was release before the movie. As to your other point..... HELL to the YEA it is the job of ANY legitimate Grading and Authenticating company to include all information and historical data that pertains to the book. |
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Homer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Marvel Comics Super Special had the majority of film adaptations, you have Blade Runner, Battle Star Galactica, Close Encounter of Third Kind, Raiders of Lost Ark and others. Movie adaptations are essentially reprinted material, not original comic book stories. One of the differences with Batman Adventure #12 is it is first comic book appearance with original material coinciding at the same time. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics Kat Indeed I did find the 4 issues listed on MCS Odd they didn't continue it through the main title like the other two movies. I suppose they figure they could get more exposure by having a separate series out there. I would have been much cooler to have it run through the main title like the others did. Thanks for the help! John |
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