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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
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Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town
We are discussing the differences between pressing and restoration....an obvious discussion which almost has to happen given that the company themselves engage in Pressing. I am unsure what issue could arise from defining the differences between restoration and pressing, as opposed to techniques FOR such but I apologize in advance if my comments are seen as a violation of the forum..


OP is advertising services by a third party presser and with pics. If this were true then I should be able to as well.


Ah...yes..sorry..I thought you were talking about us discussing the definition of Restoration...I agree with you now.
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I don't want "it" to be anything.

I would rather have an honest beat up comic in its original condition than a restored, ie forged/pressed or otherwise "prepared" comic.

This is just my opinion of course and I am not wanting to get into a nasty argument.
so following this logic if you were given a Batman 37 with a folded and creased cover and pages you would not fold them flat or make any effort to smooth it out before bagging and boarding as it would then not be original condition


.got it
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@nikki666666 Your books are lovely; excellent before & after photos.

@kaptainmyke I could deliver a grand endorsement of the in-house pressing at CBCS; how they've done good work with the normal-size comics I've sent for pressing, and a miraculous job with the Dark Horse/Kenner Aliens mini-comics. I would say nothing but nice things, and lament (heh) that Tim informed me that the pressing shop can't accept a well aged, single malt thank you gift. I would thoroughly recommend the CBCS pressing shop to anyone who would listen/read...but now I can't, because you pointed out the terms of use are in dire need of an update.
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I'm a #2. BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Redshade
I don't want "it" to be anything.

I would rather have an honest beat up comic in its original condition than a restored, ie forged/pressed or otherwise "prepared" comic.

This is just my opinion of course and I am not wanting to get into a nasty argument.



Im not a big fan of pressing either. It IS a form of restoration in which the book is being altered by outside mechanical means. The reason pressing has gained more acceptance is because the "Professional Grading" companies are making money off of doing it.

I feel the reason they don't want or allow the discussion of Pressing techniques is because deep down they know its restoration and that cleaning chemicals are being widely used in the pressing process by many.

If it is so legitimate and widely accepted in the hobby, then there is absolutely NO reason the proper techniques and instructions on how to do so shouldn't be made available for everyone in the hobby to employ.

Im kind of on Redshade's side on the issue. It is a form of restoration regardless what anybody says.

Its funny how the rules are subject to change, When there's money to be made by to the "powers that be"

This is just my opinion of coarse.
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Originally Posted by Redshade
I don't want "it" to be anything.

I would rather have an honest beat up comic in its original condition than a restored, ie forged/pressed or otherwise "prepared" comic.

This is just my opinion of course and I am not wanting to get into a nasty argument.



Im not a big fan of pressing either. It IS a form of restoration in which the book is being altered by outside mechanical means. The reason pressing has gained more acceptance is because the "Professional Grading" companies are making money off of doing it.

I feel the reason they don't want or allow the discussion of Pressing techniques is because deep down they know its restoration and that cleaning chemicals are being widely used in the pressing process by many.

If it is so legitimate and widely accepted in the hobby, then there is absolutely NO reason the proper techniques and instructions on how to do so shouldn't be made available for everyone in the hobby to employ.

Im kind of on Redshade's side on the issue. It is a form of restoration regardless what anybody says.

Its funny how the rules are subject to change, When there's money to be made by to the "powers that be"

This is just my opinion of coarse.
So by this logic I would assume it is fair to say you also do not use backer boards..acid free bags or mylars or acid free storage boxes because of course all of these remove acids originally present and alter the original condition of.your.comics correct?
Kind.of the problem.with failing to understand.differences between archival.methods and restorative ones
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Collector nikki666666 private msg quote post Address this user
Shall we all just appreciate how nice my books are looking now before I send them off to be slabbed!! šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Any guesses on grades??
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Any guesses on grades??


What are your own thoughts?
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ASM -6.0
HOS92 - 5.0
HULK 181 - 4.5/5.0
CONAN 1 - 5.5
MISTER MIRACLE - 6.0
LOIS 70 - 4.5/5.0
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944
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Originally Posted by Redshade
I don't want "it" to be anything.

I would rather have an honest beat up comic in its original condition than a restored, ie forged/pressed or otherwise "prepared" comic.

This is just my opinion of course and I am not wanting to get into a nasty argument.



Im not a big fan of pressing either. It IS a form of restoration in which the book is being altered by outside mechanical means. The reason pressing has gained more acceptance is because the "Professional Grading" companies are making money off of doing it.

I feel the reason they don't want or allow the discussion of Pressing techniques is because deep down they know its restoration and that cleaning chemicals are being widely used in the pressing process by many.

If it is so legitimate and widely accepted in the hobby, then there is absolutely NO reason the proper techniques and instructions on how to do so shouldn't be made available for everyone in the hobby to employ.

Im kind of on Redshade's side on the issue. It is a form of restoration regardless what anybody says.

Its funny how the rules are subject to change, When there's money to be made by to the "powers that be"

This is just my opinion of coarse.


it all depends on the definition used for restoration. if one defines restoration as anything at all that changes the book from it's original condition then bagging and boarding to storing the book is restoration.

I look at it like a car. if I have a vintage muscle car that I wash and clean and I iron the upholstery and store it in the winter and thats all I've done to it since Ive owned it the year it was manufactured that car would not be considered restored.

If I bought new parts, repaired rust, new paint etc. Then I've restored it.

its all in the accepted definition of the word. if one chooses not to subscribe to that definition, that's perfectly fine, but the accepted definition is what it is.
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There is another technique that is quickly making it’s way to ā€œacceptedā€.

Years ago most folks considered doing just about anything to a book was restoration. Then pressing and dry cleaning was slowly accepted (yep there are a few hold-outs still). Now, most folks in the community regard the definition of comic restoration as ā€œadding a missing element for cosmetic purposeā€. Conservation is a different item entirely.

Incoming the wet clean. Undetectable as is a good press, and simply removes elements, does not add. From what I’ve seen, folks are about 50/50 on it now, worlds away from just a few years ago.
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
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@kaptainmyke I could deliver a grand endorsement of the in-house pressing at CBCS; how they've done good work with the normal-size comics I've sent for pressing, and a miraculous job with the Dark Horse/Kenner Aliens mini-comics. I would say nothing but nice things, and lament (heh) that Tim informed me that the pressing shop can't accept a well aged, single malt thank you gift. I would thoroughly recommend the CBCS pressing shop to anyone who would listen/read...but now I can't, because you pointed out the terms of use are in dire need of an update.



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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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@nikki666666 Your books are lovely; excellent before & after photos.

@kaptainmyke I could deliver a grand endorsement of the in-house pressing at CBCS; how they've done good work with the normal-size comics I've sent for pressing, and a miraculous job with the Dark Horse/Kenner Aliens mini-comics. I would say nothing but nice things, and lament (heh) that Tim informed me that the pressing shop can't accept a well aged, single malt thank you gift. I would thoroughly recommend the CBCS pressing shop to anyone who would listen/read...but now I can't, because you pointed out the terms of use are in dire need of an update.

There's a difference between posting results pictures of a service that you, as a customer, have experienced and someone flooding the boards with self-motivated posts.
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IBTL
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
Everyone floods the boards with self-motivated posts.
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I'm a #2. BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944
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Originally Posted by Redshade
I don't want "it" to be anything.

I would rather have an honest beat up comic in its original condition than a restored, ie forged/pressed or otherwise "prepared" comic.

This is just my opinion of course and I am not wanting to get into a nasty argument.



Im not a big fan of pressing either. It IS a form of restoration in which the book is being altered by outside mechanical means. The reason pressing has gained more acceptance is because the "Professional Grading" companies are making money off of doing it.

I feel the reason they don't want or allow the discussion of Pressing techniques is because deep down they know its restoration and that cleaning chemicals are being widely used in the pressing process by many.

If it is so legitimate and widely accepted in the hobby, then there is absolutely NO reason the proper techniques and instructions on how to do so shouldn't be made available for everyone in the hobby to employ.

Im kind of on Redshade's side on the issue. It is a form of restoration regardless what anybody says.

Its funny how the rules are subject to change, When there's money to be made by to the "powers that be"

This is just my opinion of coarse.

So by this logic I would assume it is fair to say you also do not use backer boards..acid free bags or mylars or acid free storage boxes because of course all of these remove acids originally present and alter the original condition of.your.comics correct?
Kind.of the problem.with failing to understand.differences between archival.methods and restorative ones


When one is unable to recognize the difference between simple preventative measures (Bags & Boards), and the wide variety of restoration techniques being employed in the hobby today. It is not surprising you will hear ridiculous statements like this that are not really intended to add any serious content to the topic at hand.
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it all depends on the definition used for restoration. if one defines restoration as anything at all that changes the book from it's original condition...

Exactly. However, one also needs to decide on the definition of ā€œoriginal condition.ā€ Good luck to anyone looking for a book in its ā€œoriginal conditionā€. Simply handling or opening a comic book alters the ā€œoriginal conditionā€.
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Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944
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Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town
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Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944
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Originally Posted by Redshade
I don't want "it" to be anything.

I would rather have an honest beat up comic in its original condition than a restored, ie forged/pressed or otherwise "prepared" comic.

This is just my opinion of course and I am not wanting to get into a nasty argument.



Im not a big fan of pressing either. It IS a form of restoration in which the book is being altered by outside mechanical means. The reason pressing has gained more acceptance is because the "Professional Grading" companies are making money off of doing it.

I feel the reason they don't want or allow the discussion of Pressing techniques is because deep down they know its restoration and that cleaning chemicals are being widely used in the pressing process by many.

If it is so legitimate and widely accepted in the hobby, then there is absolutely NO reason the proper techniques and instructions on how to do so shouldn't be made available for everyone in the hobby to employ.

Im kind of on Redshade's side on the issue. It is a form of restoration regardless what anybody says.

Its funny how the rules are subject to change, When there's money to be made by to the "powers that be"

This is just my opinion of coarse.

So by this logic I would assume it is fair to say you also do not use backer boards..acid free bags or mylars or acid free storage boxes because of course all of these remove acids originally present and alter the original condition of.your.comics correct?
Kind.of the problem.with failing to understand.differences between archival.methods and restorative ones


When one is unable to recognize the difference between simple preventative maintenance (Bags & Boards), and the wide variety of restoration techniques being employed in the hobby today. It is not surprising you will hear ridiculous statements like this that are not really intended to add any serious content to the topic at hand.
And this is precisely the issue at hand here...the utter and complete failure to understand that pressing....or flattening out folds and wrinkles, or cleaning, the removal of staining, dirt, markings and soiling are not considered restoration in any sense, torturing of logic nor hideously poorly informed sense of the term. The Library of Congress, which handles the documents, books and manuscripts our entire country is founded on follows those same principles in conservation, protection and when necessary restoration to determine the nature of work being done.
Using simple protective methods, be it bags and boards, the removal of a fold or a wrinkle, or the flattening of a page is not restoration, and has never been classified as such.
If you are going to be thick enough to classify those methods as restoration then yes, by your own arcane and poorly formed logic, you must include basic steps like bags, boards, boxes, all as forms of restoration as well. You don't get to selectively create your own little ideal of what is and isn't by drawing zigzag lines through some forms of harmless protection while eliminating others. Reality check please!
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it all depends on the definition used for restoration. if one defines restoration as anything at all that changes the book from it's original condition...

Exactly. However, one also needs to decide on the definition of ā€œoriginal condition.ā€ Good luck to anyone looking for a book in its ā€œoriginal conditionā€. Simply handling or opening a comic book alters the ā€œoriginal conditionā€.


So much this ...correct. The lunacy of attempting to impose the concept of an "original condition" and then somehow place a book in vacuum so that undefined state is somehow reached is .....distorted and broken logic at its highest. Then to futher attempt to argue removing a fold or wrinkle, a dust shadow or pencil mark is restoration while advocating use of acid free archival supplies as normal reeks of silliness.
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