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| By the Comic Clinic James Gower from the Comic Clinic in the UK has had 7 of my books for less than a week turnaround and has given them a wonderful press and clean. If you're in the UK I can't recommend him more. see for yourself.                           |
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| Nice work. | ||
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| awesome indeed!!!! | ||
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Redshade private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Great comics no disputing that fact. But there is too much glare on the photos to see what the result was of the "restoration" before and after. I'm sure that you are pleased with these comics but I am not a fan of "restoration" which can involve the fabrication and total replacement of missing covers/pages. Sorry, just not for me. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade@Redshade Pressing is not considered restoration and the photos clearly show the before and after effects. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Pressing is not defined as restoration by the hobby or either of the major grading houses. It neither alters the original printed condition of the comic nor adds anything to the comic that was not present before the work. It is simply cleaning , and then flattening out wrinkles and folds . When you have a book pressed and cleaned generally it also does not tend to in anyway lower the grade. Of course purists still argue the point but the work is classified as more archival then restorative | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Correct...restoration is adding something to the comic that was not there before. Pressing and cleaning does none of that. |
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| I am also not a fan of most forms of restoration, EXCEPT when the book is in tatters already and steps need taken to insure it does not fall completely into ruin . I myself would not choose to do even minor restoration to a higher graded book that is 9.0 or 8.5 just to shove the value a few notches higher.....but a book that is already very damaged, incomplete, or filthy can and often does need action taken and I have no problem with that. Restoration is a tool like any other that has its uses, depending on your goals and reasons for doing it. I do not normally ever purchase books that are restored just as a personal choice however |
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
 That's cool and all but respectfully: According to the guidelines and rules of this forum: https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/9/page/1/cbcs-message-board---terms-of-use/#1 Community Rules The following conduct is not allowed on the CBCS Message Board unless otherwise noted. The decision to moderate such conduct will be made at the sole discretion of the Site moderators and administrators. *Discussing Alteration Techniques: Users may not share or otherwise discuss techniques for altering comics; including, but not limited to, restoration, pressing, cleaning, taping, or any other techniques that could result in temporary or permanent damage to a comic book. CBCS is in no way liable for any damage resulting from a user performing any technique they read or saw on the CBCS forum. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I dont think this thread is in violation of that policy. |
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| We are discussing the differences between pressing and restoration....an obvious discussion which almost has to happen given that the company themselves engage in Pressing. I am unsure what issue could arise from defining the differences between restoration and pressing, as opposed to techniques FOR such but I apologize in advance if my comments are seen as a violation of the forum.. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town CBCS also has a Conserved designation...different from Restored...I believe Conserved is defined as altering the book to decrease or eliminate the further degradation of the book...slightly different from Restored which is to make the book appear in a better condition...splitting hairs perhaps but there is a conceptual difference. I too avoid purchases of restored books but it depends on the book...I would not refuse a restored Amazing Fantasy 15 restored if the price was right. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC "Restoration" means to me the forging and replacing of that that has been lost. We've all seen the before and after photos from the various restoration companies that show a tatty worn comic formed into a new looking item. Even were I a billionaire wanting to assemble a set of all golden/silver age comics I would not touch a "restored" (ie forged) comic with a bargepole. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade CGC defines restoration as treatments intended to return the comic book to a known or assumed state through the addition of non-original material. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC I have my great grandmother's original sweeping brush. OK it's had the handle and the sweeping part replaced several times but it is still my nana's brush. Isn't it? |
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade huh? how is that analogy even remotely close in equating pressing to restoration? if you said you cleaned her brush and straightened the bristles (non-chemically) then that's closer to what pressing does....replacing handles and brush parts makes your brush a reprint. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Right..was just going to say by the OP own definition pressing and cleaning could not qualify as restorarion | ||
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Redshade private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC I think that I made my point a while ago, but if you did not understand it at the time I could probably re-phrase it again and again but it would in no way be mistaken for the original statement. |
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade I understand exactly what you're saying you're just incorrect. Pressing is not considered restoration no matter how much you want it to be. |
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| I don't want "it" to be anything. I would rather have an honest beat up comic in its original condition than a restored, ie forged/pressed or otherwise "prepared" comic. This is just my opinion of course and I am not wanting to get into a nasty argument.  |
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| I've never had a comic pressed but prob wouldn't be against it. Kinda like buying some comics throw them in the longbox and if there is enough pressure it can do a natural press I suppose. So if a book can be altered that way I see no prob with someone pressing mechanically | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade I get what you're saying and no arguing here...I guess I should say, CGC and CBCS do not consider pressing as restoration...anyone can have their own definitions and tolerances and collect accordingly but in all likelihood unless you know the exact provenance of every single comic you own, its quite possible you have a pressed book and never know it. its impossible to detect a pressing. |
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town OP is advertising services by a third party presser and with pics. If this were true then I should be able to as well. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Ah...yes..sorry..I thought you were talking about us discussing the definition of Restoration...I agree with you now. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redshadeso following this logic if you were given a Batman 37 with a folded and creased cover and pages you would not fold them flat or make any effort to smooth it out before bagging and boarding as it would then not be original condition .got it |
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| @nikki666666 Your books are lovely; excellent before & after photos. @kaptainmyke I could deliver a grand endorsement of the in-house pressing at CBCS; how they've done good work with the normal-size comics I've sent for pressing, and a miraculous job with the Dark Horse/Kenner Aliens mini-comics. I would say nothing but nice things, and lament (heh) that Tim informed me that the pressing shop can't accept a well aged, single malt thank you gift. I would thoroughly recommend the CBCS pressing shop to anyone who would listen/read...but now I can't, because you pointed out the terms of use are in dire need of an update.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade Im not a big fan of pressing either. It IS a form of restoration in which the book is being altered by outside mechanical means. The reason pressing has gained more acceptance is because the "Professional Grading" companies are making money off of doing it. I feel the reason they don't want or allow the discussion of Pressing techniques is because deep down they know its restoration and that cleaning chemicals are being widely used in the pressing process by many. If it is so legitimate and widely accepted in the hobby, then there is absolutely NO reason the proper techniques and instructions on how to do so shouldn't be made available for everyone in the hobby to employ. Im kind of on Redshade's side on the issue. It is a form of restoration regardless what anybody says. Its funny how the rules are subject to change, When there's money to be made by to the "powers that be" This is just my opinion of coarse. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944So by this logic I would assume it is fair to say you also do not use backer boards..acid free bags or mylars or acid free storage boxes because of course all of these remove acids originally present and alter the original condition of.your.comics correct? Kind.of the problem.with failing to understand.differences between archival.methods and restorative ones |
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