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Originally Posted by SteveRicketts
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Originally Posted by Drogio
I've had comics which only had a production crease cited in the graders notes come back 9.0s and 9.2s. Of course those were cbcs graded. Cgc might have let it go...

My point is that not all production defects get a pass.

Production creases are noted so someone buying the book is aware that it was production related, not so much that it was a factor in in the grade of the book.

A customer can physically see a miswrap and can determine if they want to bid or buy a book based on the wrap. I know there are people who don't buy miswrapped books, or will pay a premium for one that has a perfect wrap. I am one of those.

Production creases can not be as easily seen in photos, thus CBCS will note their presence in the grader's notes. Again, there are buyers who don't like them, which is why we note them.

Originally Posted by Tedsaid
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Originally Posted by GAC
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Originally Posted by Drogio
I've had comics which only had a production crease cited in the graders notes come back 9.0s and 9.2s. Of course those were cbcs graded. Cgc might have let it go...

My point is that not all production defects get a pass.

what's a production crease? how does a production crease differ from any other type of crease?

I think a production crease - what I've always called a printing or printer's crease - looks like this. (There are actually two in this picture ... the line across Lois and another one across "EEEIIYYY." ) But @SteveRicketts or someone else will have to give a definitive answer.

Steve, while you are at it, I have another question you may be able to answer? (Or anyone else, of course.) The Overstreet grading guide says the 9.4 grade allows for "minor feathering that does not distract from the overall beauty" of the comic. But the included glossary doesn't define "feathering." What is it? Is that when a blade is dull and it kind of pulls / tears the edge of the paper, in a diagonal, jagged pattern? Or is it something else?

Originally Posted by SteveRicketts
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Originally Posted by Drogio
I've had comics which only had a production crease cited in the graders notes come back 9.0s and 9.2s. Of course those were cbcs graded. Cgc might have let it go...

My point is that not all production defects get a pass.

Production creases are noted so someone buying the book is aware that it was production related, not so much that it was a factor in in the grade of the book.

A customer can physically see a miswrap and can determine if they want to bid or buy a book based on the wrap. I know there are people who don't buy miswrapped books, or will pay a premium for one that has a perfect wrap. I am one of those.

Production creases can not be as easily seen in photos, thus CBCS will note their presence in the grader's notes. Again, there are buyers who don't like them, which is why we note them.

Originally Posted by Drogio
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Originally Posted by SteveRicketts
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Originally Posted by Drogio
I've had comics which only had a production crease cited in the graders notes come back 9.0s and 9.2s. Of course those were cbcs graded. Cgc might have let it go...

My point is that not all production defects get a pass.

Production creases are noted so someone buying the book is aware that it was production related, not so much that it was a factor in in the grade of the book.

A customer can physically see a miswrap and can determine if they want to bid or buy a book based on the wrap. I know there are people who don't buy miswrapped books, or will pay a premium for one that has a perfect wrap. I am one of those.

Production creases can not be as easily seen in photos, thus CBCS will note their presence in the grader's notes. Again, there are buyers who don't like them, which is why we note them.

This kinda pisses me off. I've got several books that the ONLY grading notes were "Production Crease" or "General Waviness" yet got 9.4 OR LESS in grades on all of them. Not just cbcs, but cgc as well.

I've been told these "should not" affect grades, yet We are also told that any defects that were a key contributor in determining the grade are in the notes. So my conclusion is either these kinds of "defects" DO effect grades....OR I'm getting screwed in the grades when compared to everyone else with the same book. I'm one to just trust the grade The book gets, but when I hear statements like this I feel as if I should be challenging the grade assigned!

Originally Posted by Drogio
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Originally Posted by esaravo
@Tedsaid - I thought the feathering referred to “soft” corners.

I thought it meant where there are minor breaks in color or "fuzziness" running vertically along the spine, basically a crease between the front and back covers. A lot of the ultimate series (fantastic four, spiderman, X-men) have these really bad given the thick glossy stock not holding up well when the front and back covers were put under pressure (like when stacked).

Originally Posted by SteveRicketts
The tiny tears, such as on Marvel Comics from the early to mid '60s are called "Marvel Tears" or "Marvel Chipping" when the tiny pieces are actually missing.

Originally Posted by GAC
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Originally Posted by SteveRicketts
The tiny tears, such as on Marvel Comics from the early to mid '60s are called "Marvel Tears" or "Marvel Chipping" when the tiny pieces are actually missing.

These names, "Marvel Tears", "Marvel Chipping", I've obviously read before but I find interesting that Marvel is singled out..is this intentional? Did DC comics of the time not have these issues?