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Collector 1.09K	1.09K Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by slq955 Quote: Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton I think it's an insult to the artist/writer to ask them to sign something they had nothing to do with. I also think it's an insult to ask them to sign the slab. If it's a piece of work that doesn't feature anything that ties back to them I would agree. But if they have an indirect connection to the work I would disagree. I had Mike Zeck sign my Transformers issue 3 because it features Spider-Man in the black suit. There's no direct connection for him to this book, but there's the indirect connection. Indirect doesn't work for me.
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Collector 391	391 SilverAgeFan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	And I "get" Stan Lee. If it's Marvel, there's always in indirect connection. Hell, even DC with the old crossovers. I think it's just a preference thing. Is there a right or wrong answer? That's above my pay grade!
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Collector 1.09K	1.09K Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan And I "get" Stan Lee. If it's Marvel, there's always in indirect connection. Hell, even DC with the old crossovers. (and the "Just Imagine Stan Lee ..." books) Exactly. Everything can be indirect in some way if you want it to be.
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Collector 391	391 SilverAgeFan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	If ther were some sort of artists/writers agreement that they'd only sign books they worked directly on, it'd make it that much more difficult to have them. Thus increasing the value. But if a collector is willing to pay $300-$500 more for a Mcfarlanre ASM that Stan never touched but signed, the insanity never stops.
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Collector 4.03K	4.03K VaComicsGuy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan I think it's just a preference thing. Is there a right or wrong answer? That's above my pay grade! Agreed. For most of us, it's a hobby (even if we make a little $). It's supposed to be fun. If a guy wants to spend his hard earned money to have Stan Lee sign a watermelon, more power to him. I hope he gets a nice, ripe, juicy one and it becomes the crowning jewel of his collection.
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Collector 391	391 SilverAgeFan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I'm laughing Va! Point well taken.
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Collector 4.03K	4.03K VaComicsGuy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan I'm laughing Va! Point well taken.
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Collector 391	391 SilverAgeFan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	There's a strawberry festival that coincides with the TampaCon. I wonder if Stan will be available.....
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	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan @Revelations, you're 1000% right. And don't get me wrong, I adore Stan and totally appreciate his history and contributions to our fabulous hobby. I'm coming at it from an affordability standpoint. I've seen youngsters at my LCS's as well as at shows that couldn't buy a book just because his autograph was on it. Without his autograph, they could have. It bugs me. And I honestly don't have an answer. I wish I did. I get you. But I also see it like a motivator for those kids to set goals for themselves. Maybe save up allowance, do extra chores, etc. They could probably even talk the LCS into doing a layaway if they want it badly enough. Like the song goes, you don't always get what you want. In this internet age, there's bound to be an unsigned copy of the book floating around.
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Collector 2.41K	2.41K Dick_Pontoon private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan @Revelations, you're 1000% right. And don't get me wrong, I adore Stan and totally appreciate his history and contributions to our fabulous hobby. I'm coming at it from an affordability standpoint. I've seen youngsters at my LCS's as well as at shows that couldn't buy a book just because his autograph was on it. Without his autograph, they could have. It bugs me. And I honestly don't have an answer. I wish I did. No comprendo. Except for really old rare books, there’s thousands of copies of any given book floating around at any time. Why couldn’t these kids have purchased one of the bajillion copies Stan didn’t sign?
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Anything with Spidey on the cover is fair game even if he didn't work on it, he'll always be the creator. I draw the line at stupid stuff like Stan on a Darth Vader. That still blows my mind.
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Originally Posted by Dick_Pontoon
I've seen youngsters at my LCS's as well as at shows that couldn't buy a book just because his autograph was on it. Without his autograph, they could have

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@Revelations, you're 1000% right. And don't get me wrong, I adore Stan and totally appreciate his history and contributions to our fabulous hobby. I'm coming at it from an affordability standpoint. I've seen youngsters at my LCS's as well as at shows that couldn't buy a book just because his autograph was on it. Without his autograph, they could have. It bugs me. And I honestly don't have an answer. I wish I did.

No comprendo. Except for really old rare books, there’s thousands of copies of any given book floating around at any time. Why couldn’t these kids have purchased one of the bajillion copies Stan didn’t sign?

I'm no kid and theres tons of books out there that I can't (probably most of us can't) afford. One of the great things bout this hobby is this: You might not be able to get exactly what you want but there are plenty of books to make you happy available in every price range

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Originally Posted by DarthLego
Anything with Spidey on the cover is fair game even if he didn't work on it, he'll always be the creator. I draw the line at stupid stuff like Stan on a Darth Vader. That still blows my mind.

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I've seen youngsters at my LCS's as well as at shows that couldn't buy a book just because his autograph was on it. Without his autograph, they could have
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@Revelations, you're 1000% right. And don't get me wrong, I adore Stan and totally appreciate his history and contributions to our fabulous hobby. I'm coming at it from an affordability standpoint. I've seen youngsters at my LCS's as well as at shows that couldn't buy a book just because his autograph was on it. Without his autograph, they could have. It bugs me. And I honestly don't have an answer. I wish I did.

No comprendo. Except for really old rare books, there’s thousands of copies of any given book floating around at any time. Why couldn’t these kids have purchased one of the bajillion copies Stan didn’t sign?

I'm no kid and theres tons of books out there that I can't (probably most of us can't) afford.

That's not what was said, tho. He said the kid could have afforded it if Stan hadn't signed it.

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Collector 1.09K	1.09K Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego Anything with Spidey on the cover is fair game even if he didn't work on it, he'll always be the creator. I draw the line at stupid stuff like Stan on a Darth Vader. That still blows my mind. Marvel published a Star Wars comic, that's not enough?
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Collector 4.03K	4.03K VaComicsGuy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego Anything with Spidey on the cover is fair game even if he didn't work on it, he'll always be the creator. I draw the line at stupid stuff like Stan on a Darth Vader. That still blows my mind. But since MarvelQuote: Originally Posted by VaComicsGuy Quote: Originally Posted by Dick_Pontoon I've seen youngsters at my LCS's as well as at shows that couldn't buy a book just because his autograph was on it. Without his autograph, they could have Quote: Originally Posted by Dick_Pontoon Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan @Revelations, you're 1000% right. And don't get me wrong, I adore Stan and totally appreciate his history and contributions to our fabulous hobby. I'm coming at it from an affordability standpoint. I've seen youngsters at my LCS's as well as at shows that couldn't buy a book just because his autograph was on it. Without his autograph, they could have. It bugs me. And I honestly don't have an answer. I wish I did. No comprendo. Except for really old rare books, there’s thousands of copies of any given book floating around at any time. Why couldn’t these kids have purchased one of the bajillion copies Stan didn’t sign? I'm no kid and theres tons of books out there that I can't (probably most of us can't) afford. That's not what was said, tho. He said the kid could have afforded it if Stan hadn't signed it.
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by slq955 Quote: Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton I think it's an insult to the artist/writer to ask them to sign something they had nothing to do with. I also think it's an insult to ask them to sign the slab. If it's a piece of work that doesn't feature anything that ties back to them I would agree. But if they have an indirect connection to the work I would disagree. I had Mike Zeck sign my Transformers issue 3 because it features Spider-Man in the black suit. There's no direct connection for him to this book, but there's the indirect connection. Zeck didn't create the black suit.
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Collector 4.03K	4.03K VaComicsGuy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	That's not what was said, tho. He said the kid could have afforded it if Stan hadn't signed it. Sorry. I apologize. I wasn't clear about what I was trying to say. I get that the kid can't afford the Stan Lee signed copy. There are millions of books out there in every possible grade. Let him get something he can afford. That's an integral part of the hobby and something every single one of us does every time we buy a book. If we say signatures suck because they raise the price of the book to put it financially out of range of some collectors, shouldn't we be saying the same thing about getting them slabbed? That clearly raises the value of most books, putting them just as out of reach for the same kid. Why is one ok but the other isn't?
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Collector 1.09K	1.09K Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by slq955 Quote: Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton I think it's an insult to the artist/writer to ask them to sign something they had nothing to do with. I also think it's an insult to ask them to sign the slab. If it's a piece of work that doesn't feature anything that ties back to them I would agree. But if they have an indirect connection to the work I would disagree. I had Mike Zeck sign my Transformers issue 3 because it features Spider-Man in the black suit. There's no direct connection for him to this book, but there's the indirect connection. Zeck didn't create the black suit. And SW #8 isn't the first appearance of the black suit. And Zeck wasn't the first one to draw the black suit in a comic.
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That's not what was said, tho. He said the kid could have afforded it if Stan hadn't signed it.

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Sorry. I apologize. I wasn't clear about what I was trying to say.
I get that the kid can't afford the Stan Lee signed copy. There are millions of books out there in every possible grade. Let him get something he can afford. That's an integral part of the hobby and something every single one of us does every time we buy a book. If we say signatures suck because they raise the price of the book to put it financially out of range of some collectors, shouldn't we be saying the same thing about getting them slabbed? That clearly raises the value of most books, putting them just as out of reach for the same kid. Why is one ok but the other isn't?

I've been saying both are terrible since CGC started 16 years ago.

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	You know guys, all jokes and finger pointing aside, this is an amazing hobby. I absolutely love this forum as well. We learn different points of view, different ways of getting to the same endpoint. And pretty much, everyone just wants everyone to achieve their goals of getting the books they love. We can ALWAYS agree to disagree and stay civil. I appreciate everyone's point of view.
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Collector 4.03K	4.03K VaComicsGuy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan You know guys, all jokes and finger pointing aside, this is an amazing hobby. I absolutely love this forum as well. We learn different points of view, different ways of getting to the same endpoint. And pretty much, everyone just wants everyone to achieve their goals of getting the books they love. We can ALWAYS agree to disagree and stay civil. I appreciate everyone's point of view. Agree 100%. I never intend to offend or argue with anyone in any of these forums. Like I said, its supposed to be fun. I think its been a thoughtful intelligent conversation on everyones part. if anyone thinks I was in any way rude or disrespectful, I apologize.
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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan For me and I know I'm weird, I rarely go after Stan's autograph. Only if it's a book he did the cover and/or artwork for. You mean 'scripted', right? Stan can script the dialogue for a cover and/or story, but I don't think you'd want his artwork.
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Collector 1.09K	1.09K Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan For me and I know I'm weird, I rarely go after Stan's autograph. Only if it's a book he did the cover and/or artwork for. You mean 'scripted', right? Stan can script the dialogue for a cover and/or story, but I don't think you'd want his artwork. Keep reading, we figured it out
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Collector 391	391 SilverAgeFan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@VaComicsGuy, well said! I'm still gonna see if Stan will sign a watermelon for me though....
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Collector 4.03K	4.03K VaComicsGuy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan @VaComicsGuy, well said! I'm still gonna see if Stan will sign a watermelon for me though.... it would be a one of a kind item. With the way the Harley puddin packs are moving on Ebay, you might be able to get a small fortune for a watermelon.
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Collector 391	391 SilverAgeFan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I'm done with Harley for the moment, I've got 3?Artgerm sets to send in though. IF I ever see them!
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Collector 391	391 SilverAgeFan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@Stelbert_Stylton, Stu, as always, I look to you and Darth to keep me straight.
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Good luck slabbing a watermelon in a hermetically sealed case that prevents rot.
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Collector 1.29K	1.29K Oxbladder private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I wouldn't pay more for anyone's sig. I respect what Stan has done but I also think he has been a bit of a jerk and tried his damndest to make sure the spotlight shines on him and away from the many other creators that contributed to Marvel becoming the company it is. Take away Stan from Kirby or Ditko and you have an inferior product all around. If you don't believe me read Stan's book where Jack or Steve did not work with him. Stan needed someone to bring his stories to the page and the input of Jack and others to make it work. I am not a fan of anyone who tries to take away from what ultimately is often a collaboration. There are not very many books out there that had only one person do it all. Now I also fall in the camp with not understanding at all why someone would get a signature of a creator who didn't work on that issue at all. No one wants to know my opinion on grading a book with a sig because it just makes them mad
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton Quote: Originally Posted by slq955 Quote: Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton I think it's an insult to the artist/writer to ask them to sign something they had nothing to do with. I also think it's an insult to ask them to sign the slab. If it's a piece of work that doesn't feature anything that ties back to them I would agree. But if they have an indirect connection to the work I would disagree. I had Mike Zeck sign my Transformers issue 3 because it features Spider-Man in the black suit. There's no direct connection for him to this book, but there's the indirect connection. Indirect doesn't work for me. Do you count actors who played the character in a movie signing the book? I have even seen Lance Henrickson sign an Aliens comic that wasn't even a movie tie-in and Bishop wasn't even in the story.
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