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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Meh, I don't think that matters. PGX doesn't have a trademark on the color silver. I mean, CGC uses gold and so does CBCS. I understand that anything PGX does and/or uses is frowned upon, but I honestly don't think if CBCS changed their VSP label from red to silver it would be a big deal at all. PGX's and CBCS' logos/labels look a lot different one from the other. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Despain Gold and yellow are easily discernible. One type of signature label could be a shade of yellow and the other Gold. It seems like that would resolve most issues, except perhaps for severely color blind collectors.  Things like this do matter. I'd think silver would be a non-starter as CBCS using any label color that automatically leads to comparisons with PGX doesn't seem like a very well thought out idea. There are only two currently accepted grading companies who have demonstrated a history of standing behind reliable product. If PGX's witnessed labels differ from CGC and CBCS by being silver then I'd think it would be prudent to avoid that color's use for CBCS witnessed signature labels or expert verification signatures to avoid any potential collector confusion over what that color indicates. Changes like these should be carefully decided, and the rationale for implementation easily defendable to customers. Again, this is just one collectors opinion; other's mileage may very and I'm good with that.   |
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| I do think gold makes some sense given that was Beckett's colour for comic grading (wasnt it). and essentially beckett database is being used for verification going forward right? Metallic silver would be cool though as it would allow the comic to be all the source of colour |
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| Self-witnessed signatures should be red. Verified signatures should be yellow |
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| Changing colors is a rabbit hole IMO. It gets confusing for the casual consumer or entry-level collector, who already has to deal with multiple colors and/or labels from past changes by CGC and CBCS. And the idea that collectors will not buy a red label now, but would buy the same book (possibly at a higher price) if slabbed with a label of a different color, is questionable. What's the logic? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by jrswe are talking about scribbling on books, and whether a certain colour gives more assurance that said scribble was actually done by the person that says it is, because none of the methods are really all that lock tight. One mob has cornered the market with labels coloured yellow and this mob also does it. people are selected that are able to verify books (including their own books) that were scribbled on were done in front of them by a particular person .there is no proof required other than their say so - yet people are confident as when they pay lots of $ to get this done to their book, it works out no questions asked. This side has another way. They can check if the scribble looks like other scribble in a database to say that they are confident the scribble was by who they say it was. And they put a red label on it. Sometimes an actual signature may fail the test, which is discouraging for folks who put up the expensive fees only to get a rejected scribble. The whole topic is questionable..hence why perception is so important |
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Quote:Originally Posted by jrs It may be questionable to some collectors, but it's a provable fact. Most folks have basic subconscious reactions to different colors and those reactions influence their buying preferences. From a distance, it's the color you see first that leaves an impression. Blue is easily identifiable as universal and ...for want of a better description... appeals to the eye as something pure. Purple, has come to represent restoration or non-manufacturing defect repair of some kind. Unfortunately, this color arbitrarily represented both restoration and widely accepted professional preservation when first applied and has been difficult to walk back. Red, like purple, comes across as something less than ideal. Most people see red as a warning or cautionary color. Yellow has come to be accepted as the color of signatures. There wasn't much special about this color before witness verification, but it has come to represent that and so it should remain. IMO, Gold would convey similar interest to autograph seekers as yellow, with the difference being expert verification taking the place of an arranged witness. The other color to avoid is green, simply because it has come to represent incomplete or potentially manipulated books (replaced staples, etc.). As I've stated many times before, this is just my opinion, even though well informed. That said, that doesn't preclude others having a different POV. |
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| The logic behind this is that using a color other than red will remove the stigma of a red label. Why wouldn't people just associate that new color with what they used to believe a red label represents? Only the shadow knows! | ||
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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| I don't get this....red means danger or stop when we're talking about traffic lights or warning labels. what about ketchup? I'm pretty sure Heinz is doing alright and its red. What about the McDonalds logo? There's red there and as their signs says; billions and billions served. My point is; red means sig is verified...verified by a respected, authoratative company..it would still mean that if the label was orange, gold or brown. The color itself is meaningless. | ||
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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| There's a reason it's called the Purple Label of Death (PLOD). | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by jrs Whatever decision is made, I'm with The Shadow!  Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Heinz Ketchup is great, but I don't want ketchup on my comics or labels. Besides, McDonald's has had it's own issues lately ...let's just say these are not Ronald's salad days..., but the fast food giant's problems are about greens, not reds. Hey, given current events, red seems to be an increasingly popular color in some parts of the country these days, but for signature verification m'thinks yellow or gold is more attractive. Of course, as always, mileage varies. . |
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 I'm good with splotches.
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| For those that feel color is important how about using some of the old fantastic QVC colors - y'know Pumpkin Spice, Green Spruce, Chocolate Muffin, Sparkling Peony. Why stop at such boring colors like just "gold", or "Silver". Nahhh.... go crazy! Provide an option for adding color tinting to the plastic cases. Anyone for hot pink tinted plastic? | ||
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| I think the overall message here is that buyer beware on scribbled book as given it really is so hard to prove legitimacy, even the colour of the label changes the perceived authenticity . For now the trust is in yellow.. One scandal and it will be frowned upon. I personally would never ever pay a premium for a signed book in any one of these slabs for my PC - ever. It's a house of cards imo.. but will consider taking advantage in selling one if appropriate in the market. |
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| i want a black label. Black is always the coolest color. And when it's on a label you know it's serious. Edit: oh, and gold leaf lettering too. |
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| If a color change is truly in the works, orange is a reasonable choice. In the world of print production, orange is a mixture of red and yellow inks. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Let me go on the record as having doubts about the appeal of labels that are the same color as prison jump suits. |
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| I love the VSP but lez be honest here, the VSP labels are NOT RED, they're PINK. | ||
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jrs private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Odins_Raven, mind blown. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by jrs 🤯  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Odins_Raven Not mine, it's more of a tangerine or watermelon color fading into white...  I'm still solidly behind the Gold or bronze suggestion. The off-red color just doesn't elicit the kind of favorable reaction one would prefer to have on first impression of a holdered book & label. No dog in this hunt, but I don't see any downside to revisiting the label color issue with the idea of having a closer coordination between CBCS witnessed and verified labels. My 2 cents. |
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i like this better where it say Verified signature under the logo. this you can even see without reading the who thing.  |
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| A gold label for verified books would get my vote. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111Halo offers five different color options for their slabs(other than clear). *** Edited by mods - only CBCS and CGC slabs are allowed to be shown on the forum *** |
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Oh my, |
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Quote:Originally Posted by steveinthecity I understand PGX, being that they’ve done shady/illega practices in the past, but any idea why a slab from Australia is not allowed? |
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| @shrewbeer In a nut shell, in my own words, CBCS only wants to be compared to CGC. To help achieve that, only CGC slabs are allowed on the forum. CBCS IS a company, and as such, they want a certain image. This is my own explanation for this policy after many discussions on this topic. | ||
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 SpongeBob Comics #1 sells for $991!
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| I initially suggested both sig types should be yellow, but I now vote for verification getting gold labels. | ||
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rckstr1253 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| What about a speckle foil color | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by rckstr1253 I'm sensing sarcasm, and I like it |
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