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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don't think they should be the same color. With a verified signature there is always a margin of error of whether or not it is actually authentic. With a witnessed signature, there should be no question as to its authenticity. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson That margin of error is very, very slim, but the fact that they aren't exactly the same is why I was thinking Gold. It's close enough to the current witness signature color, but a slight differentiation reflecting a costlier tier achieving the same result. I'm sure other ideas would work just as well, for instance the bronze suggestion isn't bad. I pretty much agree with the consensus that keeping red isn't desirable & green would probably be an epic fail.   PS: I wouldn't bet on all those witnessed signatures being safe. Sacha Baron Cohen is always looking for celebrity targets to spoof.  |
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| I didn't realize so many folks didn't like the red labels. I think they're pretty cool myself. | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The red doesn't bother me, either. However, it is an internationally recognized color that means stop or danger when communicating information visually. | ||
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| I actually think about whether the red or yellow label will compliment the book asthetically when considering signatures. Red doesn't go with a lot...maybe because red is just a bold statement color. Yellow/blue seems to go with most anything. I have a detective comics 880 that would look better in a red label than gold, I think. One of the few. |
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson - And yellow is also a warning color in nature and universally means caution. So what colors are left? Purple and green are disliked. White? Black or Brown? Gold and Silver? Or since everyone likes blue, we could have various shades - light, medium, and dark blues. When you think about it, the label should simply state information without distracting from the slabbed item. As collectors, why should we even care about the color of the label? How many times had it been said, buy the book, not the label? |
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| Maybe they should match the color of the label with the color of the book? I mean we do it with clothes and it seems the vanity level is off the charts so let's make CBCS and CGC also responsible for fashion. I mean why not since color seems so important | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo It's more gold than yellow. How about a transparent film with black lettering printed on it? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatsoni disagree... entirely. its not a locked down process. with a witnessed signature there's still chance the authorised witness threw a few extra signed books in the pile to get them through. you (well at least me) cant help but think if a witness is running a store, and someone comes in with a raw signed book that would be worth thousands more $$ as a yellow label that they arent even tempted to slip it into the pile of books from the next con they attend? or even worse, has a mate who asks the same and puts in a few of their own practice signatures for a few $$. Ive even heard of tales where the witness leaves the table while books are signed and asks customers to hand them copies when they are done? Customer is free to slip in a couple too in that process. Pay for 1 or 2 legit and put and addtional 1 or 2 frauds in the pile and get it 'witnessed' as legit. i agree with what others said above that if its to be a different label make it gold.. and not colour gold but an actual gold colour metal foil / chromium label so it looks better than a SS. why? because it needs to be perceived as better, if its ever really going to take off. ( and in my opinion it is better. ) and i agree, on most covers, the red label instinctively reads as damaged book. You have to be informed to know that it isnt what it is supposed to mean. yellow is softer. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The key word in there is "should." | ||
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Wraith private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson yes.. but there IS plenty of room to question. moreso than with verification IMO. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wraith Until if and when the self-witnessing stops, I have to agree with you there. Verified is just as good. |
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I like the red color label just fine for VSP. And I don't associate a red label with anything negative in comics. Just the opposite. Red labels were what CGC used in their old label books (graded first few years) for modern (1975 and later) books. So red labels mean "good" to me. | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Ideally, to satisfy my OCD, all the labels should be the same color and any signature information printed on the label | ||
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson You are welcome....  |
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 LOL!! The vinyl bumpers (Slab pro?) for slabs come in colors to match the labels. OCD and comics can be hard.  |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by IronMan I hate those things. They are a pain in the ass and won't fit in the box. |
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I really wouldn’t mind a red label for verified, but I do have a few problems with the service. First, it is too expensive at $25 per signature (versus $5 for one or more for witnessed). If it’s basically a computer program that compares the unwitnessed signature with know signatures, should that cost 5 times as much? Also, I have 4 or 5 books with signatures on the splash page. CBCS should be able to provide a picture or scan of the signature as part of the graders notes for that book. | ||
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Wraith private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by esaravoI don't think the price of the service would be questioned if books were worth more at the end of the process.. I imagine the cost of keeping an archive up to date for every single signature is not cheap. The joke is that for now, having an "authorised" guy say he was there to watch a signing (without any evidence that he actually was there ) is deemed more valuable than a detailed analysis of a sig involving expert and computer analysis from archives. If there ever is a public scandal that comes to light regarding any particular witness authorising forgeries , prepare for a crash for all yellow labels by association and a lot of blood letting in the slabbing industry in general. Verification is far more legit imo. |
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| I’m fine with the red label, though I agree $25 for the first signature is a little steep. If you’re going to change it, how about a white label? | ||
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| @kevinlmillard Can you show us your source? Otherwise all this conversation is just rumors. | ||
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kevinlmillard private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KingNampaAs I said I was at a show and was told this by one of the employees. I started the thread to ask if this was just B.S. that he was feeding me or if there was any truth to it. |
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| I think changing from a red label to a silver label would be awesome! | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| PGX's signature books are silver labelled. | ||
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| Silver or dark gray would be my vote. Can’t stand the red label | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Meh, I don't think that matters. PGX doesn't have a trademark on the color silver. I mean, CGC uses gold and so does CBCS. I understand that anything PGX does and/or uses is frowned upon, but I honestly don't think if CBCS changed their VSP label from red to silver it would be a big deal at all. PGX's and CBCS' logos/labels look a lot different one from the other. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Despain Gold and yellow are easily discernible. One type of signature label could be a shade of yellow and the other Gold. It seems like that would resolve most issues, except perhaps for severely color blind collectors. Things like this do matter. I'd think silver would be a non-starter as CBCS using any label color that automatically leads to comparisons with PGX doesn't seem like a very well thought out idea. There are only two currently accepted grading companies who have demonstrated a history of standing behind reliable product. If PGX's witnessed labels differ from CGC and CBCS by being silver then I'd think it would be prudent to avoid that color's use for CBCS witnessed signature labels or expert verification signatures to avoid any potential collector confusion over what that color indicates. Changes like these should be carefully decided, and the rationale for implementation easily defendable to customers. Again, this is just one collectors opinion; other's mileage may very and I'm good with that. |
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Wraith private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I do think gold makes some sense given that was Beckett's colour for comic grading (wasnt it). and essentially beckett database is being used for verification going forward right? Metallic silver would be cool though as it would allow the comic to be all the source of colour |
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Self-witnessed signatures should be red. Verified signatures should be yellow |
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jrs private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Changing colors is a rabbit hole IMO. It gets confusing for the casual consumer or entry-level collector, who already has to deal with multiple colors and/or labels from past changes by CGC and CBCS. And the idea that collectors will not buy a red label now, but would buy the same book (possibly at a higher price) if slabbed with a label of a different color, is questionable. What's the logic? | ||
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