Grading: CGC vs PGX vs CBCS (YouTube video)670
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Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle Is CBCS' Expanded tier a minimum of 15 books too? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Stelbert_Styltonno but I wouldn't have a problem shipping five more books if it saved me a few buck on each one. With CBCS I think 10 books at a time will be my sweet spot with the return shipping rates,although 15 could be a sweet spot also if each book was a couple bucks cheaper |
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| I think what's happening is that production flaws, depending on what they are, may not affect a book's grade, but in the market place, affects its desirability, thus impacting any given book's value either to the negative or the positive. Take double, triple etc. covers for instance, this is a production flaw that usually makes a book in any given grade more desirable, thus usually more valuable. | ||
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| Yes, production defects are counted in the grade of the book. Some production defects WAY more than others. Some production defects...not so much. |
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| As for the grade of the book in the video, I didn't see any pictures of the interior of the book. Many times pieces added and other restore gives the appearance of staining. I'm not saying this book had it, because I didn't look up the grading notes. I do know that a lot of times, this prevents a restored book from getting a higher grade, although from the outside it appears to be much higher grade. We do not give restored or conserved books a check mark grade. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts Good to know, thanks! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRickettsSO when the graders notes come back online would say a production crease be in the look up notes |
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| Do you have the serial number of the book? I'll post the notes. | ||
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRickettsSteve I don't have one that I'm worried about but say in a online auction if I look up graders notes would that be something you guys would make a note of in the graders notes |
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| Thank you Steve for your input here. I'm just curious, what production flaws have the most impact to downgrade a book and which ones don't? Does a mis-wrap or tilted wrap affect a book's grade as certain books seem to display this problem more than others. One that comes to mind is Fantastic Four #67 from 1967. It seems a dis-proportionate number of these books have a bad wrap. | ||
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| A miswrap is not going to affect the grade of an FF 67 unless it were like...severe. And then it probably wouldn't affect it much if the book is below a 9.4. Keep in mind that it entirely depends on the book. I'm sure there are books with miswraps so bad that they would be cause for an exception. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle We often note production flaws in grader's notes, yes. |
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
 Printer crease runs horizontal through over half the cover. Graded CGC 9.6 for Captain America #241. My understanding of that book is that it is difficult to find without the crease. I've seen a handful in stores and they all have it. I'd like to learn more on which defects are the most egregious in regards to grading. |
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| Steve is tha man .Most helpful ....thanks | ||
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SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user | |
| For production flaws, we will only reference them in the grader's notes... A) If they had any factor in the final grade Or B) if the defect is visible and we want to make sure the customer is aware that the defect was production related. |
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| Great info. You need some :thumbsup: and :golfclap: emoticons. | ||
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| Well that sucks. @SteveRicketts I just sent an order in that has Smilin' jack #1 thru #6 from 1948 that are file copies in gorgeous condition. There were only 8 in the series. I have #7 and #8 as well. The only reason I didn't send #7 in is because it has a production crease that runs through the cover and pages and back cover. This is a flawless book and a file copy along with the rest of the Dells I send into you guys all the time. Going to see if I can find it in box and send a pic here and tell me what you think. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by earthshaker01 Send it and put a grade screen on it. That way if it grades lower than you want it to, it won't get encapsulated. |
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Ok so here we go. Here is number 7 and 8. You will see in the name "Jack" (blue cover) the production crease. Then a shot zoomed in and then the inside of the cover page.    |
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| Also the same crease is on the back cover. Here is the back and inside back cover of #7. I have never seen a #7 up close or in high enough grade to determine if any other 7's look the same. The number 1 thru 6 and the 8 are flawless.   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts Steve, How long does CBCS keep graders notes and can we access them for books we've bought at auction? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rafel Every CBCS label has a QR code that links directly to the graders notes. |
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| You can also type the serial number into the website directly if you can't see the back of the label. | ||
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earthshaker01 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @SteveRicketts is there any way I can just send these two books, 7 and 8, in and if 7 looks like the production crease won't affect grade on 7 just add it to the order number that has numbers 1 thru 6 of that series. You guys just recieved last week. I always send in 30 and didn't want to create another invoice fire just two books, as I always send in 30 at atime. | ||
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| That's what grade screen is for. It's the easiest way to have us evaluate the books. Just put a 9.4 or 9.6 grade screen on them. Easy, peasy. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rafel https://cbcscomics.com/grading-notes Go there and enter the serial number for the book. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Foghorn_Sam What did the notes say on that ASM #70? (from cbcs) Any small stain or light foxing would do that to the grade. Cbcs is extremely Hard on those two errors. A friend of mine had an Iron fist #14 looking near mine Come back a 7 due to "light foxing" And I had two Iron man 55s Come back a 3 and 4 for stains. The 4 was thought to Come back Atleast a 6 by the One cleaning and pressing Them |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Foghorn_Sam So if All of the production is cut in half but otherwise perfect, it Should be a 10? If you don't take away from One error, then what about the next and the next, then it goes to shipping damages from Diamond to Retailers,... Then No deduction from hanging on the wall... It's a slope.... Where do you See the line fir errors not coubting |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nico Here are CBCS's notes of that book: tiny crease bottom right corner front cover barely breaks color light wear top & bottom spine spine stress breaks color tiny wear top right corner front cover Here's CGC's notes on the same book: spine multiple bend breaks color I no longer have this book so I don't have any images to put up and I must have erased the images I had on my computer. In hand this book looked super, like virtually brand new. It didn't even need pressed. What got me was of all the books in that particular order, I thought this one was one of the strongest and it got the lowest grade of the bunch. As far as I could tell, it seemed to be every bit as good as other books in that order that got 9.4's and 9.6's. Most of the time I'm pretty close on the grades and it just seemed this one was an outlier compared to how close or right on I was on the other books. That's why I decided to get a second opinion from the other grading company. |
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