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| Should i buy or not to buy and is it a good deal?All are already graded by CBCS. Avengers 59 grade 6.5 FF. 51. Grade 4.5 Thor. 154. Grade 6.5 Daredevil. 158. Grade 8.5 168 grade 8.0 169 grade 8.5 181 grade 8.0 Hulk. 182. Grade 3.5 |
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| What are the prices? | ||
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| Haha Oh yes that would help $400 for all of them.They didn't have a price for each one. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Thearrow Dude... do you even have to ask? Hell I'd pay double that.  |
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| Do it before it’s gone. You can make a nice profit if you flip, or my favorite, hold. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkga $400 is a good price but I'm not seeing a lot of reason to pay double that. Avengers 59 is a dead book...a 6.5 is probably good for $75 shipped. F2F 51 $50 DD 158 ,168 and Hulk 182 are the 3 books that are worth a decent amount. DD 181 is a key, but in 8.5, it's like $75. The others are all pretty much worth $50, on average.Maybe $60. Guessing about $400 , between the 3 of DD 158,168 and Hulk 182. But yeah, it's a good buy at $400, all you have to do with slabs is pop them on eBay to move them. |
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| Meh. Not impressed. Okay buy and after some work, you would make a decent profit. But nothing there I would be proud of owning. | ||
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| @CopperAgeKids I read wrong... I thought that said Hulk 181, lol! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkga  Don't feel bad. I misread it too. |
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@CopperAgeKids Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Daredevil #158 8.5 $80 Daredevil #168 8.0 $130 Incredible Hulk #182 3.5 $60 Those three together aren't even close to $400, more like $270. Perhaps the Incredible Hulk #182 seems more valuable than it really is. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck I didn't look them up, but I did (kind of) figure that $400 was a liberal estimate. Here is what GPA has those 3 books at, 30 day and last sale.... Daredevil #158 8.5 $94, $107 Daredevil #168 8.0 $129 , $121 Incredible Hulk #182 3.5 $62 , $62 All 3 are trending up. I was off by $110...quite a lot.I'll blame that on the mental effect of at first glance, thinking a Hulk 181 8.0 was in there. DD 169 is $30...Thor book in 6.5, not a key..worth the cost of slabbing...guessing $30....FF 51 good for $75 easy....Avengers 59 $75. I'd offer $200 shipped, would go up to 225 shipped, which would leave a small margin. But the books are slabbed and ready to go. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Odd you didn't add it to "the 3 books that are worth a decent amount."  |
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| @CopperAgeKids Quote: Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids According to your numbers, only one is trending up lol |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS What? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck No. GPA has green arrows for those 3 books, from past sale to 12 month average. They are trending up, clearly. Paying $400 for the stack would still not be a good move. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids The 90 Day average, not 30 day as you mentioned above, is only $6-7 more than the 12 month average. I know that they're all indicating sales average is more that the last twelve months, but I don't think $6-7 is enough to say it's trending up especially if you look at the sales trend. Earlier you mentioned $400 is a good price and a good buy. Why is it now not a good move at $400? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Wow. You said, "DD 158 ,168 and Hulk 182 are the 3 books that are worth a decent amount." Then, once CaptainCanuck pointed out you are wrong, said, "I was off by $110...quite a lot. I'll blame that on the mental effect of at first glance, thinking a Hulk 181 8.0 was in there." I think it's "odd" you chose to use the Hulk 182 3.5 in determining if $400 is a good price, even though you were "thinking a Hulk 181 8.0 was in there". Darkga and Despain both thought a Hulk 181 8.0 was in there, and their advice is exactly what one would expect- Basically, "BUY IT!" When they realized their error, they easily admitted it. Not saying it's a Herculean effort, but Bravo, men. You said, "$400 is a good price but I'm not seeing a lot of reason to pay double that." Yet later said you were thinking a VF 181 was in their. You wouldn't pay $800 for a Hulk 181 8.0? I would in a micro second. Quote: Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids CAK, I see nothing in this post that suggests you thought a Hulk 181 8.0 was included. So hopefully you aren't going to get upset. Quote: Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids You asked. Just answering your question with a detailed explanation. My point? Is it SO hard to admit you didn't just know the values of DD 158 ,168 and Hulk 182 off the top of your head? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids For some reason you chose this info: Quote: Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids to illustrate this info: Quote: Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Clear as mud. Sorry @Thearrow |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DE Correct, I didn't know the price of those books off the too of my head. I did say that I guessed, and that it was a liberal minded guess. I was off by $110....I would have thought a I'd have been off by $50 or so. At first glance, I thought a Hulk 181 was included for $400; like most others did. I reread the post and got that it wasn't, before I made my first post in this thread. I said that thinking it was on there at first, made cash register signs pop up in green before my eyes...even knowing it wasn't included, that influenced me in making a liberal assessment of the rest of the books' FMV. I didn't look any of the books up as I'm not the one buying them  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DE Look at these 3 books in GPA. They are trending up; I am not parsing data. Green arrows across the board > trending up. Far as your second question; I didn't look the books up when I posted that $400 was a good buy. I crunched the numbers in GPA, than saw it is not a good buy at $400. |
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| Now I get it. When you said, "I was off by $110...quite a lot. I'll blame that on the mental effect of at first glance, thinking a Hulk 181 8.0 was in there", I didn't take that as meaning you realized it was not prior to your first post, instead of after CaptainCanuck's GPA post. I thought you were claiming you thought it was there, yet ignored it when in fact you KNEW it was not there and mistakenly factored it into your advice. My apologies. I still stand by post 18 though |
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| It's cool☺ I actually didn't understand what you were referring to in post #18, and didn't get what 50AE_DE was saying about $6-7 not equating to trending up...until, just now, after I went back and read it again. The info I posted was only the last sale, and the 30 day average. So it would appear that you both were quite right, if the info was read as 90 day and 30 day averages, which it is not. My mistake, for not clarifying that earlier, I apologize. This is one of those times that this forum could really use that :foryou: sorry/Olive branch emoticon that would be used in such a situation, if this thread were taking place across the street. ☺ |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids My post (18) was more directed to your reply to CaptainCanuck, and I don't think either of us read it as 90/30 averages. It's that, instead of 12 month data to show and upward trend, you used the 30 day/last sale numbers to illustrate an upward trend, when one showed up, one showed down, and one broke even. You were trying to describe a 12 month trend using 30 day/last sale numbers to do it, and they didn't do that "clearly". That's what I [we?] meant. |
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| @MR_SigS Yes, that’s what I was pointing out. @CopperAgeKids knows his stuff, but that one didn’t add up. Just making sure his powers weren’t fading |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck My powers tend to fade out, towards the end of a work week.....that's excuse #2, of #2, for not giving a better breakdown    |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS Right. I didn't say I was using the data points as evidence that the books were trending up. Last sale and 30 day figures are the easiest to cut and paste. I simply stated that the books are clearly trending up, across the board over the last 12 months. But yeah, I see how that could have easily be inferred as proof they were trending up...and as another board ie pointed out, the last sale was below 30 day on one of them. |
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| Here are the sales for 158 and 168. That 168 looks like it drop quite substantially from it high of $171 from the previous month. 158 just looks like it's maintaining it's value from the previous year. I can't see how these two books are trending up when their sales high are down from the previous year. 158 2018 (10) $110Hi $64Lo May-28-2018 $107 Cert# 1259880002 May-06-2018 $78 Cert# 1259248020 Apr-22-2018 $64 Cert# 1236058002 Apr-15-2018 $105 Cert# 1294252001 Apr-10-2018 $100 Cert# 0006624002 Apr-07-2018 $110 Cert# 1446195007 Jan-18-2018 $110 Cert# 0258075005 Jan-13-2018 $76 Cert# 1244654010 Jan-02-2018 $85 Cert# 1244432004 Jan-01-2018 $66 Cert# 1246036008 2017 (18) $119Hi $55Lo Dec-28-2017 $90 Cert# 1244154003 Nov-23-2017 $80 Cert# 0783146012 Nov-18-2017 $77 Cert# 1236058002 Nov-17-2017 $55 Cert# 1569758001 Sep-21-2017 $68 Cert# 0319713023 Sep-11-2017 $116 Cert# 1205659018 Aug-22-2017 $119 Cert# 0281034002 Aug-21-2017 $90 Cert# 1224283001 Aug-06-2017 $80 Cert# 0258075006 Jun-13-2017 $75 Cert# 0314905001 Jun-11-2017 $80 Cert# 1210446001 Jun-04-2017 $73 Cert# 0309883013 Mar-26-2017 $62 Cert# 0942846001 Mar-17-2017 $75 Cert# 1135305023 Mar-10-2017 $90 Cert# 1420708005 Mar-03-2017 $78 Cert# 0309883013 Jan-30-2017 $90 Cert# 1346205012 Jan-05-2017 $108 Cert# 1210844001 168 2018 (8) $171Hi $94Lo May-31-2018 $121 Cert# 1259958024 May-01-2018 $100 Cert# 1416845008 Apr-24-2018 $94 Cert# 0237265022 Apr-13-2018 $160 Cert# 1256037010 Apr-06-2018 $171 Cert# 0271263003 Mar-02-2018 $116 Cert# 0186444014 Feb-12-2018 $135 Cert# 1244654008 Jan-21-2018 $150 Cert# 0140828006 2017 (25) $175Hi $68Lo Nov-11-2017 $150 Cert# 0232530014 Nov-04-2017 $91 Cert# 0186444014 Nov-01-2017 $100 Cert# 1416845008 Oct-19-2017 $68 Cert# 1416845008 Oct-02-2017 $139 Cert# 1464975018 Sep-28-2017 $95 Cert# 0291077002 Sep-05-2017 $113 Cert# 1097775028 Aug-18-2017 $135 Cert# 0290629023 Aug-13-2017 $130 Cert# 1228845012 Aug-02-2017 $123 Cert# 1218851003 Jul-27-2017 $110 Cert# 0315898003 Jul-24-2017 $139 Cert# 1464929006 Jul-10-2017 $110 Cert# 1218698018 Jun-24-2017 $131 Cert# 0290583003 Jun-19-2017 $118 Cert# 0258227005 May-05-2017 $119 Cert# 1220599003 May-04-2017 $109 Cert# 0999092003 Apr-30-2017 $80 Apr-02-2017 $83 Cert# 0942846006 Apr-02-2017 $84 Cert# 0256503006 Mar-27-2017 $86 Cert# 0118039010 Mar-26-2017 $110 Cert# 0287239022 Mar-17-2017 $175 Cert# 1263182022 Feb-17-2017 $100 Cert# 0306802005 Jan-22-2017 $81 Cert# 0290583003 |
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| You may not be able to see that, but GPA indicates I am correct. I honestly don't see we are even discussing this issue at this point but for the sake of clarification, I'll continue. Below is 4 screen shots of GPA on DD 159 and 168. First up is DD 158 in 8.5 to 9.2.  Second shot is DD 158 in 9.8....I should have included 9.6 in with 9.8 to show that the book is trending up in hte grade at hand, and 99.6/9.8....but showing that a book is trending up (overall) in 9.8, is pretty much indicitive of it trending upwards in lower grades but I'm not doubling back again.  Now, before I add the screen shots for DD 168 , let's all realize that DD 158 and 168 both jumped up in GPA about 2.5-3 years back, when Netflix starting season 1 of Daredevil. It shot up a bit before that due to season 1 trailers and and other jump when DD was confirmed as green lit on Netflix.I'm sure they both initially had jumps tied to when DD Netflix rumors kicked in a few years ago, as well.I'm not going to trade back specific months when the rumors, than confirmation, than when the season 1 trailer droopped and than the 4th uptick when season 1 was streamed on Netflix....I'm not out of my mind. But, I am sure if you one wanted to spend an hourbold text, that information is all there. Moving onward.... Now, the market cannot sustain 2 (or 4, depending how much detail you want to get into) fairly large upticks in 1 year, resulting from a TV or a movie adaption. Books drop a bit after those upticks, usually about a month after a movie leaves theaters or a season stops airing. We saw drops in DD #158 and 168, corresponding a bit after season 1 of DD aired on Netflix.That is a market correction. Both DD #158 and 168 (being the biggest copper/modern DD keys) had to rise and fall aaaaand than rise back up again...after the lull created by season 1 hype dying down...and than having similiar spikes when seasons 2 and 3 aired. The 2 books are now, and pretty much have steadily been for the better part of 2 years and change, trending back up again after the market corrected itself from the barrage of Season 1 DD Netflix hype overload. DD is coming back for anoher season, as are related spin off shows like The Punisher. Same with Defenders. So, there is ample reason for DD #158 and #168 to continue trend upward, with some minor lulls, over the immediate future. By that I mean the next 2 or 3 years. I do believe that both books likely hit their ceilings, with season 1 hype train making no stops into value city. Onto DD 168..... Below is a shot of the book in 8.0 (the grade at hand) to 9.2 The second shot is 9.6 thru 9.8.   Now, look at the rise/fall that occurred around 2015; everything I said in this post WRT DD #158 holds true for #169. However, DD# 168 has always been the bigger book than DD #158. And speculators see more value in 1st appearances than first renditions by a writer/artist. So #158 has not gotten as much love as #168 has, which GPA illustrates. But still, the mother effer is trending back upwards... for the very same reason that #168 is trending back upward. If all of that is too much to take into consideration, just look at the green and red arrows.  |
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| I mentioned earlier it does show green arrows for those books. 168 sold for $150-$170 from January to April, but the sales from the last three months were between $94-$$120. I don't think this is an indication the book is trending up, even though the 90 day average shows a green arrow. The 90 day average is misleading which is why I choose to look at the sales trend. You don't get the full picture by just looking at the arrows. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DE Of course not, the winking emoticon implied that was a quip. What sales trend data are you referring to specifically? 3 sales in 8.0 that were at $94, $11 and $120. They occured in that order....and yeah,that is the very definition of trending up. It is inconsequential that the sales were at $170 or below, before the last 3 sales. All it takes is 1 auction to go south; such as several slabs in auction formats at once or poorly worded listing titles or whatever else, to show a transient drop ...which corrects itself, almost invariably. The market always corrects itself, you do not appear to be comprehending that. Really, at all. That isn't even the bigger issue, though. You say that 90 day averages are misleading and you prefer sales trends. 90 day averages are not misleading, when you look at them in context.... to not just 30 day, but 12 month thru yearly averages. On these books, the uptick started around 12/2014-2/2015; and grew. Like I said, a legitimate sales trend is not just 3 sales in 8.0 over a 3-4 week period. A predictable sales trend methodology is analyzing meta-data and applying one's understanding of the variables, forcing the rise or fall of a books' standing. The variables influencing this book have already been addressed. Well, I laid out. .succinctly AF...I'd add, just how those trends occur,and why. In short, for a change as this has been beat to death, you're missing the forest for the trees. |
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