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I find this thread fascinating

I find it's like cutting a hole in a perfectly good boat and then repairing it with FlexTape Clear.
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I find this thread fascinating

I find it's like cutting a hole in a perfectly good boat and then repairing it with FlexTape Clear.


.... and admiring the work while looking at it through a clip-on tactical visor.
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More like this...


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I loved Megaforce as a kid..I don't think I've seen it in 30 years....I'm sure if I watch it now I'll be in for a big disappointment...
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I loved Megaforce as a kid..I don't think I've seen it in 30 years....I'm sure if I watch it now I'll be in for a big disappointment...


I couldn't remember where that was from, but I knew I'd seen it. Cheap Trick was asked to do a soundtrack song for the movie but thought a song with the word Megaforce was too stupid. They chose to turn it down.
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I find this thread fascinating

I find it's like cutting a hole in a perfectly good boat and then repairing it with FlexTape Clear.


Crazy.
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Just curious because Im not here to argue


On a forum, you’re going to see contradictory opinions to your own. No way out of that, and its a good thing. Everyone is wrong sometimes, and its good to know whats right!

Now, blocking those that are here simply to argue to the death no matter right or wrong... that would be a great service to add. Unfortunately cbcs has much much more important IT stuff to handle at the moment.


I can understand where AtlasLad67 is coming from to a degree as I don't suffer fools gladly either. But sometimes it's better to suffer in silence and realize you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think. I don't believe many people like being told they're wrong, especially in a way that comes off as belittling, intended or not.

I always go by the rule of never say something on a message board that you would never say standing in front of that person.


I asked for an ignore function the first month the boards were up and running. While it wasn’t implemented, some of the moderators agreed.

Regarding the bolder text, I agree.
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I loved Megaforce as a kid..I don't think I've seen it in 30 years....I'm sure if I watch it now I'll be in for a big disappointment...


Yes. You're in for disappointment. However rifftrax Did a good version of it
Some movies are best left enjoyed as a 6 year old
I find the original clash of the titans that way as well
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I asked for an ignore function the first month the boards were up and running. While it wasn’t implemented, some of the moderators agreed.

Regarding the bolder text, I agree.

Your attempt to bring this thread back on track hasn’t gone unnoticed 👍🏻
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If people weren't so easily and terribly offended all the time by things which aren't directed at them personally, the world would be a much better place.

The irony in some of the comments in this thread would choke a horse, but...that's human nature for you.
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Why just the women? I like bears. Gaard private msg quote post Address this user
I can only speak for myself. I'm extremely open to differing opinions, but I absolutely hate to argue or debate. (maybe that's why I'm twice divorced?) I don't understand how people can say that they don't like to argue, but aren't shy about participating in one.
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I can only speak for myself. I'm extremely open to differing opinions, but I absolutely hate to argue or debate. (maybe that's why I'm twice divorced?) I don't understand how people can say that they don't like to argue, but aren't shy about participating in one.

Debating develops essential critical thinking skills.
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Debate is pointless when both sides have already made up their minds. All they do is dig in deeper.

Now persuasion...

Persuasion is a real art. Requires actual people skills. Which most comic nerds, unfortunately, lack.
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It is not the requirement of a discussion that you change another persons mind. Some people think long term and pay attention to details. Some only care about what they see and feel now. People will always clash.
If a group collectively seeks to deny my right to a different opinion, I'll go elsewhere.
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Debate is pointless when both sides have already made up their minds. All they do is dig in deeper.


That's not true at all, and misses the fundamental point of debate. No side in a debate is there to convince the other side. They're there to present their arguments for the audience, and the audience decides, for themselves, who made the better case.

If your goal, at any point in a debate, is to attempt to change the opposing sides' mind, you've already lost.

Not only that, but having a debate where one or both parties haven't already made up their minds is utterly pointless. That's why you have a debate: two parties, having already made up their minds about an issue (that is, developed a rational argument), come to the table and present their cases.

"Debating" someone who hasn't made up their minds isn't a debate.
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Debate is pointless when both sides have already made up their minds. All they do is dig in deeper.


That's not true at all, and misses the fundamental point of debate. No side in a debate is there to convince the other side. They're there to present their arguments for the audience, and the audience decides, for themselves, who made the better case.

If your goal, at any point in a debate, is to attempt to change the opposing sides' mind, you've already lost.


I think the emboldened is true. When convincing the other side is indeed the goal, like when raising a child, that's why we say, "this isn't a debate."
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Debate is pointless when both sides have already made up their minds. All they do is dig in deeper.


That's not true at all, and misses the fundamental point of debate. No side in a debate is there to convince the other side. They're there to present their arguments for the audience, and the audience decides, for themselves, who made the better case.

If your goal, at any point in a debate, is to attempt to change the opposing sides' mind, you've already lost.


I think the emboldened is true. When convincing the other side is indeed the goal, like when raising a child, that's why we say, "this isn't a debate."


Absolutely.
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Debate is pointless when both sides have already made up their minds. All they do is dig in deeper.


That's not true at all, and misses the fundamental point of debate. No side in a debate is there to convince the other side. They're there to present their arguments for the audience, and the audience decides, for themselves, who made the better case.

If your goal, at any point in a debate, is to attempt to change the opposing sides' mind, you've already lost.


I think the emboldened is true. When convincing the other side is indeed the goal, like when raising a child, that's why we say, "this isn't a debate."


I could be wrong, but I don't think Marximus meant "debate" in the formal sense of the word. He can correct me if I'm wrong about that.
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There are many times in the past where I presented an opposing and publicly unpopular point of view. Online, I was criticized harshly. In private I received multiple emails from people thanking me for saying the things I said. @DocBrown is correct in that the audience is more important than the person you are disagreeing with.
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And "raising a child" is only one scenario, so don't mistake that for calling anyone here 'children' The same can be applied to training someone at work.
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It is not the requirement of a discussion that you change another persons mind. Some people think long term and pay attention to details. Some only care about what they see and feel now. People will always clash.
If a group collectively seeks to deny my right to a different opinion, I'll go elsewhere.


I have a feeling playing devil's advocate is one of your favorite pastimes?
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Now persuasion...

Persuasion is a real art. Requires actual people skills. Which most comic nerds, unfortunately, lack.


This raises an interesting question.

What is meant by the phrase "people skills", and how does one tell when someone else "lacks" it...?

Is it the ability to successfully negotiate business, which is the bulk of human activity?

Is it the ability to deal with customers in a way that retains them the most effectively?

Is it the ability to tell people exactly what they want to hear so that you're highly regarded in a community?

Is it the ability to take no stand on any issue, for fear of offending others?

Is it the ability to tell people the truth, even when it's painful or offensive to do so?

Interesting question indeed...
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It is not the requirement of a discussion that you change another persons mind. Some people think long term and pay attention to details. Some only care about what they see and feel now. People will always clash.
If a group collectively seeks to deny my right to a different opinion, I'll go elsewhere.


I have a feeling playing devil's advocate is one of your favorite pastimes?


It's a requirement where I work. My job is to find flaws. Engineers don't want flaws found in their work. I have to give weight to their point of view or basically my evaluations are negated down to nothing and my assessment loses all credibility. I've had my named dragged through the mud in email chains and then systematically made an engineering manager admit he was wrong when it came time to discuss the details in person.
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It is not the requirement of a discussion that you change another persons mind. Some people think long term and pay attention to details. Some only care about what they see and feel now. People will always clash.
If a group collectively seeks to deny my right to a different opinion, I'll go elsewhere.


I have a feeling playing devil's advocate is one of your favorite pastimes?


It's a requirement where I work. My job is to find flaws. Engineers don't want flaws found in their work. I have to give weight to their point of view or basically my evaluations are negated down to nothing and my assessment loses all credibility. I've had my named dragged through the mud in email chains and then systematically made an engineering manager admit he was wrong when it came time to discuss the details in person.


Finding flaws for a living doesn't mean you have to be an auto contrarian though, does it?
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Now persuasion...

Persuasion is a real art. Requires actual people skills. Which most comic nerds, unfortunately, lack.


This raises an interesting question.

What is meant by the phrase "people skills", and how does one tell when someone else "lacks" it...?

Is it the ability to successfully negotiate business, which is the bulk of human activity?

Is it the ability to deal with customers in a way that retains them the most effectively?

Is it the ability to tell people exactly what they want to hear so that you're highly regarded in a community?

Is it the ability to take no stand on any issue, for fear of offending others?

Is it the ability to tell people the truth, even when it's painful or offensive to do so?

Interesting question indeed...


When I got hired as a Quality Inspector, someone said I had the ability to criticize someone's work and still make them feel good about themselves.

Generally speaking, people don't respect a weak-minded perspective. You aren't going to be persuasive if you say "maybe" or "I don't know" a lot. Being persuasive involves empathy and understanding what is going through the other person's mind. Even if direct logic asserts that something should be a certain way, direct logic should also assert that some people act based upon emotion and emotions have to be factored. It is a balancing act which leaves the other people feeling that they were treated with respect.
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Now persuasion...

Persuasion is a real art. Requires actual people skills. Which most comic nerds, unfortunately, lack.


This raises an interesting question.

What is meant by the phrase "people skills", and how does one tell when someone else "lacks" it...?

Is it the ability to successfully negotiate business, which is the bulk of human activity?

Is it the ability to deal with customers in a way that retains them the most effectively?

Is it the ability to tell people exactly what they want to hear so that you're highly regarded in a community?

Is it the ability to take no stand on any issue, for fear of offending others?

Is it the ability to tell people the truth, even when it's painful or offensive to do so?

Interesting question indeed...


When I got hired as a Quality Inspector, someone said I had the ability to criticize someone's work and still make them feel good about themselves.

Generally speaking, people don't respect a weak-minded perspective. You aren't going to be persuasive if you say "maybe" or "I don't know" a lot. Being persuasive involves empathy and understanding what is going through the other person's mind. Even if direct logic asserts that something should be a certain way, direct logic should also assert that some people act based upon emotion and emotions have to be factored. It is a balancing act which leaves the other people feeling that they were treated with respect.


I think this is very true. It's not that hard to get your point across to someone without belittling them, though it's possible some don't realize they're doing that.
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It is not the requirement of a discussion that you change another persons mind. Some people think long term and pay attention to details. Some only care about what they see and feel now. People will always clash.
If a group collectively seeks to deny my right to a different opinion, I'll go elsewhere.


I have a feeling playing devil's advocate is one of your favorite pastimes?


It's a requirement where I work. My job is to find flaws. Engineers don't want flaws found in their work. I have to give weight to their point of view or basically my evaluations are negated down to nothing and my assessment loses all credibility. I've had my named dragged through the mud in email chains and then systematically made an engineering manager admit he was wrong when it came time to discuss the details in person.


Finding flaws for a living doesn't mean you have to be an auto contrarian though, does it?


I am not auto-contrarian! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Don't confuse written conversation with spoken conversation. If someone is saying something I agree with online, I don't need to repeat it or chime in and say "I agree" a hundred times. In a huddled conversation, I can nod my head "yes" and make eye contact.

Unless I am elaborating upon or expanding on another person's point of view, the only thing in written conversation that will inspire me to write is a contrary point of view.

I equate masses of people self-validating themselves to be a circle jerk. I've called it a hive mind in the past. Sycophants and claques as a general rule do not earn a lot of respect from me and I show it accordingly when the mission is to collectively invalidate an opposing perspective.
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I think this is very true. It's not that hard to get your point across to someone without belittling them, though it's possible some don't realize they're doing that.


I'm quite capable of not belittling someone. I prefer to talk to people at their own level. If someone chooses to belittle me, my preference is to show them or redefine in their mind what belittling constitutes. Belittling is a tactic used and it can make the other person feel like they have a tactical advantage in a conversation. By returning the behavior with merciless revenge, I like to make the other person regret their decision. I like that regret to last an entire lifetime until they get over the thought that it was a wise course of action. I do not believe in rewarding bad behavior with a response that is beneficial to the person who did it.
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Perspective's a funny thing, innit...?

Someone reads something that someone else says and interprets it in a way that they regard as "belittling" or "demeaning."

No one likes to be corrected or challenged. That's true of all humanity.

So, is it possible that, since people don't like to be challenged or corrected, that they interpret ANY such challenge or correction as "belittling" or "demeaning", even when, by an objective analysis, it's not even remotely those things...?

Of course.

Not only is it possible, it happens every day. "That's not true" followed by "How DARE you tell me I'm wrong! You're BELITTLING ME!!!"

The healthy response, then, is first self-examination: "am I taking this personally, when it's not intended to be so? Am I being oversensitive?" Next, inquisition, with the aim of resolution: "I took this comment this way. Did you mean it that way?"

If their response is "no, I meant it this way", then you have confirmed that you MISinterpreted a comment, and ought to adjust yourself accordingly.

If their response is "no, and stop being so sensitive"...they're giving you good advice, even if not in a manner designed to leave you warm and fuzzy.

If their response is "hell yes, and I'd do it again"...then you have your answer.

The only person whose reactions you can control is you. When you let other people endlessly offend you, whether they're trying to offend you or not...to the point of carrying on a campaign against them for years, and even decades...you have needlessly given them space in your head, rent free, that could be used for far more productive ventures.

Perspective's a funny thing.
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