Hulk #1 Cut Coupon. What Grade?6475
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serling1978 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| New to the forums here, Wanted to get some opinions on what grade this book might get from CBCS. I've always been under the impression that a cut coupon would limit a book to being a 1.0 at the highest (non qualified), has anyone had experience with that to know if it's true? Not sure if the age of the book makes a difference. As in, would they be more lenient grading an early Silver Age or Golden Age book with a cut coupon vs grading a Bronze Age book with the same thing. Normally I wouldn't buy a book with a cut coupon if it was something more recent or more common, but I was happy to make an exception for this one. Other than the cut coupon the book is complete and attached at both staples at the cover and centrefold. No tape or restoration. I think CGC would list this as incomplete. Wondering if CBCS would do the same. If anyone has any thoughts on grade I'd appreciate hearing them. Thanks.    |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CBCS typically gives the incomplete designation & I know a missing page is an automatic .3. Not sure if just a coupon would get a slightly higher grade. |
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Watcher private msg quote post Address this user | |
don't know and Im sure Steve will come on and give us the 411  but man thats an awesome book!! its #1 on my bucket list...enjoy it regardless of the grade brother! |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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drchaos private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think cut coupon is a 0.5 max but I could be wrong. | ||
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Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I believe the highest grade it can get from CBCS is a 1.5. This is from the grading guidelines posted on the CBCS website. Quote: Originally Posted by CBCS CBCS grading guidelines |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Man, it presents nice otherwise. Congrats on the book nonetheless. | ||
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serling1978 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Thanks for the info and feedback, guys. Much appreciated. Owning this book has always been a dream of mine since I started collecting as a teen in the early 90's, so I'm happy either way, but if it graded a 1.0 or 1.5 I'd be totally cool with that. Good to know! | ||
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 00slim 0.5 |
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Can't believe that tattered incomplete book is still worth $3,000-$5,000 in its condition, geez | ||
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D84 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Since it doesn't effect the story, I'd say 1.0. If it even 1 panel of the story, I'd say .5. Still a great book for any Hulk fan. |
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RyanHicks private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If it affects story, its an immediate .5...if it doesn't affect story, you might get a 1.0 out of it. | ||
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I had a Batman 189 come back 0.5 incomplete with a missing coupon that didn't affect the story. I would say 0.5 for the Hulk 1 just based on my experience. | ||
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serling1978 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I never understood why a cut coupon from an ad page not affecting the story would render a book incomplete. That's what they were there for right? So some 60's kid could send in for a life size skeleton or sea monkeys... | ||
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rejaak private msg quote post Address this user | |
| ...or a life size poster of Frankenstein with his pinky cut off...awesome | ||
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Locate Jeff and complain!!! | ||
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The book looks solid other than the coupon, I’d say 1.5 if it doesnt affect the story. Possibly 1.0, but no way that gets as low as .5 unless the cover is detached as well. | ||
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AtlasLad67 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by serling1978 Incomplete is incomplete. A missing coupon , mvs , ad page , centerfold , etc IS incomplete. That's the way the grading standards have always been. Would you give full blue book for a car missing the passenger seat? |
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Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by AtlasLad67 Not having a seat is a safety issue for passengers. I'd equate it more like missing portions of the upholstery. Visually disruptive, maybe slightly uncomfortable, but not really needed for the purpose of having a car or a safety issue. Will also drop the value of a car pretty quickly from mint. |
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Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So if I have a gem mint hulk #1, and a coupon is cut out its a 1.5/1.0? But if I have the hulk comic shown in this thread with a coupon cut out along with all the other defects it's also a 1.5/1.0? Seems odd. Or would the gem mint hulk #1 get a 10.0 but have an asterisk or notation that it has a major defect? |
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AtlasLad67 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Drogio I was just trying to be polite without pointing out that the very definition of incomplete is that there is something missing. So you'll pay the gent full gpa for the book as if it had the coupon? |
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Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Drogio It would make more sense for it to get a 1.5 with a check mark. Also, you're basically making all defects equal. They aren't. A missing coupon is not equal to color breaking fold or a 1/4" tear. |
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AtlasLad67 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| That means EVERY book gets a checkmark. Incomplete is incomplete and thus NO better than an 0.5. If proper grading annoys you then don't have any books slabbed | ||
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serling1978 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I definitely understand grading and that a missing page or ad is normally considered incomplete. But that only explains "that s just how it is" or "that's how it's always been". Doesnt mean there can't be other viewpoints. Personally I don't think a missing coupon or mvs makes a book truly incomplete the same as a missing story page or piece does. It would make more sense if there was another grading specification/term other than "incomplete" specifically for missing pieces that don't affect the art or story. Just my opinion but I can accept if it was graded incomplete since that's the current system we're working with. | ||
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AtlasLad67 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Please don't talk to me on this topic anymore. Ignorance is one thing but gross stupidity I have no time for. Miss me on any more 'as long as it doesn't affect the story what does it matter what's missing?' type commends. That's basically the gist. Incomplete is 0.5 at best. Missing a coupon is Incomplete. Period | ||
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serling1978 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Gross stupidity? That's your definition of someone who has disagreed with you? Come on man, at least be a respectful human being. Why do message boards always have to have that one guy who wants to devolve everything into personal battles to throw around his internet muscles? Embarrassing. Well I do appreciate all of the other opinions and info provided by everyone else. Thanks guys |
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Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by AtlasLad67 Per the guidelines it can achieve a grade as high as 1.5 with a coupon removed. Jesse-o pointed that out above. Are you arguing with cbcs? Are you calling them ignorant and stupid? Incomplete means there's an entire page missing or a significant portion of a page. Fair/good clearly allows at least one coupon to be removed, even a panel. If you don't agree with that, take it up with cbcs. |
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Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
| That's not to say this book will get a 1.5 or 1.0...other factors may knock it down to a 0.5....but not just because of a missing coupon. | ||
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serling1978 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Totally agree it could get a 0.5. If it does I can live with that. Anything above that would be a nice bonus. I'm just happy to have the book and wanted to get a general idea on potential grade , didn't want to argue with anyone about it |
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Quote:Originally Posted by AtlasLad67 How would you grade a comic that was in fine shape but a small 1/4” corner fell off the cover. Does that classify as incomplete? |
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CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user | |
| A clipped coupon on an ad page does not make a book incomplete. I think it is actually a fairly minor defect. I have seen some books with chunks out of their covers and remaindered copies in 1.5 slabs. The clipped coupon in the Hulk is about as big as the missing piece out of this cover. Technically, I can see why this TGK got a 1.5. If a coupon were clipped from this book, and the piece missing from the cover was still intact....Both books in 1.5 slabs.....The book with the slipped coupon would be much more desirable.  |
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