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| Take a look at this article. http://www.comicbookdaily.com/collecting-community/by-the-numbers/does-page-color-matter/ If you don’t feel like reading it all, here’s the synopsis: “the value of the book should not be materially impacted due to its less than white pages“. |
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| It’s all opinion and subjective for me, I absolutely believe that white pages deserve a premium valuation. It should be noted however that I am mainly interested in golden and early silver age comics and the same may not apply to modern era comics. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by KingNampa www.gpanalysis.com I highly recommend it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck ...and the existence of such an article reinforces the idea that there IS an impact after all. It's common sense. Tan and/or brittle pages are worse than CR/OW pages, which are worse than OW pages, which are worse than OW/W pages, which are worse than White pages. It's simple logic that there would be SOME impact, and there is. By the way...that person's sample sizes are wayyyyyy too small to be forming such conclusions. There are many, many factors which are NOT indicated by ANY data that affect prices, like color, centering, amount of flaws vs. degree of flaws, etc. He/she should buy a subscription to GPA. You'd need to see many dozens, if not hundreds, of examples to start to reach meaningful conclusions. AND...it absolutely must be mentioned that "page quality" is the most difficult aspect to grade, because it often depends on factors unrelated to the comic itself, such as the light source. I've had books go from (Wolverine Ltd. #1) go from OW pages to White pages on resub, and others go from OW/W to White, and from White to OW/W. The question I have, which can't be easily answered, is this: do "Off-White to White Pages" designations, because they take up so much more real estate on the label, affect values more than the smaller "Off-White Pages" designation...? |
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| And what would be a good sample? That same Wolverine Ltd. Series #1. It's just on the cusp of Bronze/Copper, when quality of production was getting fairly standard and there are hundreds of examples of sales every year in grades like 9.8, 9.6, etc. THAT would be a good example to conduct research into the effect of page quality on prices. | ||
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| Just wondering why page color is not factored into grade | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 It is at the lower grades (ie brittle will land you a very low grade even if the book is solid and clean). Keep in mind that its not page color (even though it says white etc)... its page quality. |
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| The problem with page quality that no grading companies have addressed (that I've heard) is paper color varies in what the publishers had in stock. In some golden age books, the pages are different colors in the same copy because they ran out of one stock and used another. That was fairly common in Fawcett books. There is a general idea of what white/off-white/cream/tan pages are but it will never be truly accurate. Unless you had the book since the day it was purchased off the newsstand (the day it came out), you don't really know what white pages look like for a lot of books. |
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| @DocBrown Interested to know what your stance is on page quality changing over time within the slab? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Where I'm going with this whole thing is all these little "caveats" that grading companies put together to placate the customer so that the customer doesn't have a fit really bugs me. Qualifieds, asterisks, page color, etc. Just put the grade on the comic based on defects and give a number. But often numbers are given with caveats and I just feel that is wrong. If White is the highest, then deduct 0.X with W/OW and put color in the grading notes. If missing a page, deduct the appropriate amount and give a grade and put in the grading notes. And what the heck with asterisks? 9.2*? Jeez. No, it's 9.2 or it is something else. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck That's always part of the "dirty little secret" about slabbing. Books that are improperly stored...whether in a slab or not...will be affected by it. You can have a book that's a 9.8, but you put that slab out on the pavement on a hot day, and that book will be destroyed in a matter of hours, mostly due to condensation inside the slab, but also due to UV damage. Properly stored, under proper humidity (around 50%) and temps (65° F or lower), and you should be fine. I had a Next Men #21 9.8 in a slab...got it slabbed round about 2009. By 2013...stored in a house, properly...something had happened to the ink, and large swaths of it "stuck" to the inner wells, front and back. It was absolutely horrifying. CGC took care of it, but it was a stark example to me of how a slab...even a properly stored slab...isn't magic. Yet another reason why people should learn how to grade...just because a book is in a slab that says X.X doesn't at all mean that's the case, especially after improper handling. It's imperative, if only just to protect yourself. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by D84 This is a GREAT point, well worth considering. Publishers used different paper stock all the time, and it's hard to say what is "white" compared to other "white" pages. For example...in late 1980, Marvel was either experimenting with new paper stock, OR Sparta was having paper supply issues, and used "better paper" for Marvel. There are several books...X-Men #140, 141, for example...that were printed with this paper, which is, even to this day, bone, stark white. It's exceptionally noticeable when held against, say, a copy of #138 or #142. Even brand new, the typical newsprint was sort of a creamy, off-white. There are even some copies that were printed with some of the bone-white pages, and some with the regular newsprint. The difference is quite stark, and easy to see. If I can find one, I'll post pics of it. But, if you didn't know this, you'd think something had happened to some of the pages and if those books were the only ones you had ever seen, you'd think nothing else from that era was printed on decent stock. But you can see, since X-Men in particular was hoarded at the time, that the regular paper stock was quite normal, and should be easily considered "white" in the context of the paper used. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck If this is true, then why is it on the label? Of all the comics I've chased on eBay looking for the best price I've noticed a difference in their sold price related to page quality. I'd say going from white to W/OW is about a 5-10% hit on value on copper age books. ill see BINs wih OW pages sit while books of the same grade but white pages sell at higher prices...so that tells me it does effect value. If I have time, I'll try to find some examples. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by D84 I didn't know that. If I had seen such a thing on a purchase, my first assumption would have been 'married pages'. |
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