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| While I was looking through some storylines for DD, I noticed that after Miller's initial 158-191 run, he did some sporadic work on DD afterwards. Were these just unused scripts from before? Specifically, getting into the Born Again & Man Without Fear storylines. Did he do more than that, or was it just those ones that he worked on and are they as good as his initial run? Thinking on picking them up since the SA X-Men bins are pretty dry around here. | ||
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| Born Again in one of my favorite arcs in any comic. | ||
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| I'm trying to piece together his entire DD run and from what I gleaned on the interwebs, he either wrote or penciled issues 158-191, 219, 226-233. He also did the graphic novel Daredevil: Love and War, mini-series Elektra Assassin, then Daredevil: Man Without Fear mini-series. Those are his only DD or affiliated comics. Not sure if these were unused scripts. The 219 issue is a one-shot story. The graphic novel was supposedly his way of bridging his first run with the "Born Again" run. | ||
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| @Studley_Dudley Man Without Fear was a good retelling of Daredevil’s origin and early years and if you like Romita Jr’s art style (I love it) then all the better. It was heavily referenced for the two seasons of Daredevil (the ninja-lyke prototype costume in season one and Matt and Elektra’s early relationship in season 2). That said, you can definitely see Miller coming off the hinges toward the over-the-top gritty territory which would work well in Sin City but mar titles like Dark Knight Strikes Again and All-Star Batman and Robin. It’s not as bad as in those Batman stories but you can sefinitely see it encroaching. Most notably, Elektra goes from a fearsome, yet vulnerable killer who broke down in tears after seeing Matt again for the first time in years and sparring Foggy’s life just before her death   To a mentally derranged, thrillseeking killer even when she knew Matt in their youth, going so far as seducing a group of men into an alley just so she could have someone to kill    |
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| Born Again...the greatest DD story of all time, and one of the greatest stories ever told in comics...was the story that Miller and Mazz created after editor Ralph Macchio called Miller up and asked if he wanted to write for the series again. Denny O'Neil had been Frank's editor on the title, and took over as writer because there didn't seem to be anyone else to do it. Frank had left DD in 1983 to work on "Ronin", but he came back to do a one-off...#219...2.5 years after his last regular issue. Meanwhile, O'Neil, who had spent the last several years working exclusively for Marvel, was offered the job of being the Batman group editor, which he accepted. Macchio asked Miller if he'd like to write again for DD, and Frank agreed, provided Mazzuchelli would remain the series artist. And that's how "Born Again" came into being. That, in turn, led to Marvel Graphic Novel #24 ("Daredevil: Love And War" ) with Bill Sienkewicz, which in turn led to Elektra Assassin #1-8. Also, while Denny was transitioning back to DC, he helped convince executive VP Dick Giordano to give Miller a shot to do a Batman story...Miller's last (and pretty much only, aside from a one-shot here and there) work for DC was the unqualified disaster that was Ronin, taking over a year to finish six issues, with #6 being famously very late. Here's a fantastic article from "The Comics Journal" about it before it was published, a GRUESOME and SCATHING critique of the creator and his vanity project: http://www.tcj.com/run-of-the-miller/ So, it took quite a bit of convincing...and published work...to convince Dicky (as Bob Layton calls him) to agree to let Miller do TDK. Man Without Fear, on the other hand, was a long-promised, much-delayed project that had been in the works for several years, but was not published until late summer of 1993. It took a good four to five years to complete it and see it in print. It had been discussed in the trade press as early as 1990, if not sooner, that Miller was writing a "Daredevil origin story", with JRJR doing the art chores. So, by the time it finally was published, it had been anticipated for years. None of those stories was compiled from unused inventory. |
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And don't forget Elektra Lives Again... |
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| It might be worth noting that Born Again is supposedly going to be an influence on season 3 of the Daredevil Netflix series. Interestingly, when I asked Vincent D'Onofrio on Twitter what comics influenced his portrayal of Kingpin? He answered simply: “Born Again”. |
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| Miller was at his creative peak from 1985-1986. He turned out what are consistently regarded as the finest works ever to grace the artform: Born Again, The Dark Knight, and Batman: Year One. Since then, nothing he's done has even come close. Sure, Sin City and 300 were fun, but they were no TDK or Born Again. |
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| Also, here is one of my personal favorite Miller/Daredevil stories. Published shortly after his initial run. #219 It’s a stand-alone story. The tone reminds me of an episode of “In The Heat of the Night”.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 00slim I've liked D'Onofrio ever since I saw Feeling Minnesota, in the '90's. He's a very good actor and very capable of playing dark characters. Full Metal Jacket and Chained, are excellent examples. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1989475/?ref_=m_nm_knf_act_i30 I am hoping that Born Again is used in the next season of Netflix, and they hire some gritty writers and directors, who pull off the darker tone of Born Again. How awesome would it be to have someone like Brad Anderson (director of The Machinist) adapting Born Again? Pretty damn awesome. I watched a bit of Daredevil on Netflix, and wasn't impressed. The Punisher on Netflix was great, Daredevil was watered down drew IMO. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I think the heroin storyline with Hogman and Chucky, was some very powerful stuff, every bit as good as Born Again. Every time I go back and read those books, same with Born Again, I actually get a bit teary eyed. That is how good Miller's story telling was back then. |
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| Millers earlier work on DD is far superior to Born Again IMHO. Born Again would be better suited to a last story for the character. I gave my wife the early run to read and then Born Again and without offering my own opinion she preferred the earlier run by far. This is not to say I hate BA, I’m a Miller fanboy and I always liked Mazzucchellis work on the title. It just didn’t have the same magic as the first go round for me. Definitely worth a read though. | ||
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| Awesome!!! Gonna grab the Born Again graphic novel or series of comics. I'll also research Millers earlier arcs as suggested by Logan. I already have a batch of DD, maybe some of these issues. Just have never gotten around to reading them. | ||
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| I'm trying to get the whole Miller DD run together before I sit down and read it, but thank you all for the input. I'm going to add 219, Born Again, Graphic Novel 24 and the Elektra mini to my list, and track them down. I appreciate it! | ||
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| @Studley_Dudley - I have 1-5 of the Elektra Assassin mini-series by Miller. PM me if you might be interested. | ||
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| @Studley_Dudley I have multiple full runs of Born Again,full runs of Elektra Assasin 1-8, DD# 219 and several DD's from the 180-190's (all Miller's). I can set ya up at half Overstreet; with the exception of the Born Again run, on any of them. The Born Again set would still be below average eBay prices for the set.  |
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| @Studley_Dudley The Miller DD run has been collected in omnibus as well as three paperbacks. Daredevil by Frank Miller & Klaus Jason Omnibus (New Printing) https://www.amazon.com/dp/078519536X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_1.1dBbQ9PPPR4 Note: Miller began doing the ART as of 158. But he didn’t take over as WRITER until 168 and the jump in quality when he started writing is significant. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 00slim True, but there is a lot to be said for the feel of owning the original books...and at $5 a pop for NM 9.2 to 9.6 copies of Miller DD's from 1982-86, which is what I'd sell them at, ya can't lose.  ☺ |
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| @CopperAgeKids Completely agree & I absolutely wasn’t trying to kill your sale. I was just presenting an option in addition to the individual issues. I personally like to have both if I’m a fan of something. | ||
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| I probably have about a 100 copies of DD 191 (Electra resurrected issue) , bought a mini van full of long boxes from a NY dealer about 20 years ago, had a long box and a half of DD 191's in there..along with another 1 1/2 long boxes of #180 thru his last issue in that run...store overstock. Pretty much all NM or better books. I have about 1 1/2 long boxes of those 10 or so issues left.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 00slim It's all good, technically I guess you could say I was stepping on Esravo's toes...which wasn't intentional, either.☺ Btw, f any of you cats want a hand full of those books, let me know. Some of them got water damaged, so NM's turned into VG+'s....I would not mind giving a copy of each water touched books away for free to any of you veteran posters.  They are in the #180's to low #190's.....no 180's or Punisher issues, though. |
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DD #191 is the Bullseye in the hospital, Roulette issue, not the Elektra "resurrected" issue, which would be #190 (and is a "is she/isn't she?" issue. ) A fantastic cover, if a bit heavy on the purples.  #191 was also the last issue of Daredevil ever actually penciled (as opposed to layouts for Klaus to finish) by Miller. He did the whole issue. It's a significant style departure for him, and it is the style he used in Ronin, which he was working on at the time. |
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| Also...if you ever want to study pacing and panel layout in a comic book story, #173 is about as good as it gets. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids I would be interested in obtaining 9.4 or better copies of Daredevil 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 181 191 219 230 231(x2) 232 I never did get a response or hear back from you on the High Grade American Flagg books we Spoke about over 4 months ago. Please feel free to PM me with any updates or status |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown You're right, I misrembered #191 for #190....#191 is one of my faves. 190 is the one that I had about 1 1/2 long boxes full of; the return of Elektra. The guy I bought them from had all the books in bricks of a dozen or so, stored in golden age polybags with no board...spines alternated. Actually better than having them bagged/boarded individually...no cheap backing board acid effing up the back covers and they were all flush, due to the guy alternating the spines. About 1/3 of the books were newsstands, too bad I don't have the 2 Punisher heroin books left...they are solid $100-150 in 9.8.  I just pulled up a DD cover gallery search, these are the books that made up my 3 long boxes of DD's.        |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Actually, the last message in our PM exchange was one that I sent to you, stating that I'd get back to you sometime down the line; paraphrased.  I still have all of the AF books. I'll touch base with you after I get done with VA Comic Con in 2 weeks about those books. They aren't going anywhere i.e. it's not like I bring them with me to shows. They've been in storage for close to 20 years, you'll get first crack at them. Looks like I may only have 1 issue (for sure) off your DD list. |
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Collectors used to care about this comic. I think Miller did a "What If?" issue with Daredevil that was noteworthy also. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by X51 Indeed:  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids I'll dibs a set of the DD story arcs if you have extras. Whichever you feel cover the arcs discussed here plus any one shots or those you feel would make a good mix of stories. No big rush as I'm very aware of searching thru boxes for specific issues. My collection is a colossal mess. I also understand the work that goes into setting up for comic cons. |
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| I’ve got a run of elektra assassin 1-8. Not selling but wondering if it’s worth reading. It’s a 9.6+ run so I was leaving it unread, but if it’s a good read I’ll pull out the nitrile gloves, lol. Thoughts? |
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