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Coming up with an accurate definition, however, is a fun exercise so far. I don't think anyone has done it in any official capacity, not that I know of anyways.

Sure they have. Check out the Overstreet Price Guide, 1982 edition, page A-8, among others.

Interestingly, that explanation mentions only the price box difference, not the UPC box difference, but the main point is that the distinction is made by the differences in cover markings.

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The defining characteristic of a newsstand book is that it was sold on the newsstand.

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There are not "two definitions" of the newsstand; the newsstand definition has been the same since 1933 - comics that are produced for and distributed through the newsstand distribution network, to be sold on newsstands.

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With the respect that is due you, I was buying and cataloging these differences as an adult when you were in grade school. Your "definition" was imprecise and inaccurate. If you want to abandon it, and go with a more accurate definition, that's a good thing

Reading through the above.... So are we agreeing that there is a need for an accurate definition of "newsstand edition", which is different from a newsstand book, or not?

..And respect where it is due, if anyone could come up with a good and worthy definition, it's probably you.

7 years ago

Collector 1.11K	1.11K Redshade private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Hello all. Perhaps you could help me out identifying a couple of items that I have for sale on ebay UK? I have this X-Men 103 CBCS 8.5 NEWSSTAND EDITION Cents 183227568562. I know that this is a newsstand edition because CBCS has mentioned this on the label. I also have this X-Men 122 CBCS 8.5 Cents 183227572372. I know this NOT to be a newsstand edition because of the strikethrough on the barcode ( and CBCS has not identified it as a newsstand edition or as a direct edition). My real question concerns this X-Men 121 CBCS 8.0. NEWSSTAND EDITION Cents 183227570085. I have marked this as a newstand copy because there is no strikethrough on the barcode but it is not marked by CBCS as a newsstand edition ( nor is it marked as a direct edition). Am I in error marking this as a newsstand edition? I would not wish to mislead anyone. Any and all comments will be gratefully received.
	7 years ago	Post 27 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Not sure where the confusion lies. The characteristic which makes a comic book a "newsstand edition" IS that it was sold on the newsstand (or, more properly sold THROUGH the newsstand distribution...i.e., "returnable"...network.) In the Direct era, a distinction was made in cover markings to acknowledge that fact, when Direct versions started being produced. What may blow the mind of some, is that even some comics specialty shops had newsstand distribution accounts, and received newsstand edition comics, in the 70s and 80s. That's why using the cover markings is the only way to realistically and accurately distinguish between the two versions, even if only one or the other exists.
	7 years ago	Post 28 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@Redshade that first book is the subject of this argument/discussion. Technically it is a newsstand book as it was sold on a newsstand, but no newsstand collectors would consider it a "newsstand edition" as there was no direct market at that time (what you have is the only "variation" of that book, there are no others). Second book you are correct, direct edition. Third book, damn you are right on the cusp there. I cant recall exactly what issue XMen started with direct/NS. I think it is #122, DB may be able to confirm
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Collector 1.11K	1.11K Redshade private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer @Redshade that first book is the subject of this argument/discussion. Technically it is a newsstand book as it was sold on a newsstand, but no newsstand collectors would consider it a "newsstand edition" as there was no direct market at that time (what you have is the only "variation" of that book, there are no others). Second book you are correct, direct edition. Third book, damn you are right on the cusp there. I cant recall exactly what issue XMen started with direct/NS. I think it is #122, DB may be able to confirm Thanks for the reply. There really does seem to be confusion here. I wonder why CBCS has marked one barcode issue as newsstand and not the other? Are we to assume that the grading companies to be the final arbiters or is there still research to be done? I would not like to sell a copy as being a newsstand and have it returned as not being so on the whim of purchaser.
	7 years ago	Post 30 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Redshade I wonder why CBCS has marked one barcode issue as newsstand and not the other? The subject of this post is that CBCS is wrong in their marking of all books post '77 as direct or newsstand (see 1st post). Also, CBCS only started marking newsstand books on the label recently, which explains why your third book says neither as it was graded several years ago.
	7 years ago	Post 31 • IP flag post

Collector 1.11K	1.11K Redshade private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	All my CBCS books were submitted by me as raw comics last year. The three issues here are post 1977. What about the square vs diamond shaped price boxes, does this tell us anything? @DocBrown. "I wonder why CBCS has marked one barcode issue as newsstand and not the other?". Any input as to what the three issues I show are?
	7 years ago	Post 32 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@Redshade CBCS started noting them post-rivet labels. Two of your books have the rivets.
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Collector 1.11K	1.11K Redshade private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer @Redshade CBCS started noting them post-rivet labels. Two of your books have the rivets. I'd not noticed that. What is the significance there? I'll rummage through my boxes and have a closer look at them.
	7 years ago	Post 34 • IP flag post

Collector 4.79K	4.79K Darkga private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@DocBrown I think you are being too literal in your definition of "Newsstand Edition" for the sake of this conversation. When many comic collectors think of "Newsstand Edition" it is in direct contrast to another edition ("Direct Edition" in this case). Think of it as the second definition in a dictionary as opposed to changing the first definition of "newsstand." It's just clarifying that in comic vernacular, "newsstand" is more commonly used to distinguish between two or more editions.
	7 years ago	Post 35 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Darkga @DocBrown I think you are being too literal in your definition of "Newsstand Edition" for the sake of this conversation. When many comic collectors think of "Newsstand Edition" it is in direct contrast to another edition ("Direct Edition" in this case). Think of it as the second definition in a dictionary as opposed to changing the first definition of "newsstand." It's just clarifying that in comic vernacular, "newsstand" is more commonly used to distinguish between two or more editions. Yes, but that's not really the issue. The issue is a working definition that fits with what exists. I'm with you 100%, that most people, when they refer to "newsstand edition" are talking about the typical late 70s/80s/90s/00s/10s books with UPC codes only, and not slashes, artwork, or "direct edition/sales." However...when attempting to define what these books are...now we need to get specific. That's why having "newsstand edition" for the Firestorm mentioned above...and other such books like it...can lead to unnecessary confusion, rather than not having any designation at all. The devil is in the details, and slabs that say "newsstand edition" for which no corresponding Direct edition exists IMPLIES that there IS such a Direct edition. But, I'm not totally set in stone on that, which is why I wanted to get other people's views, and perhaps have a thread that CBCS may read. After all...the Firestorm designation isn't INcorrect. That IS the newsstand edition.
	7 years ago	Post 36 • IP flag post

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	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer The defining characteristic of a newsstand book to a newsstand collector is that the book has a direct edition counterpart. That is an inaccurate and misleading description. The defining characteristic of a newsstand book is that it was sold on the newsstand. It would be correct to say "the defining characteristic of a newsstand book during the Direct market era is that it has cover markings that distinguish it from its Direct counterpart, if that counterpart exists." I agree and that is my point.
	7 years ago	Post 37 • IP flag post

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	Quote: Originally Posted by dielinfinite Quote: Originally Posted by TommyJasmin From the perspective of someone who works on this stuff "under the hood", an item's "ID" should consist of the least information required to uniquely identify it. I really wish that was the policy at CBCS but unfortunately that is not the case wtf? Why does the cbcs label need to say how many different covers exist? That's dumb.. Why not just cover a or cover b. Do action comics #1000 slabs say. "1524896 covers exist"?
	7 years ago	Post 38 • IP flag post

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	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown The CORRECT definition, then, is "in the Direct era, the defining characteristic of a newsstand book is that the book has cover markings which identify it as a newsstand edition." Ok, progress. I'm understanding your point, and its encouraging that you are seeing mine. We can probably expand on that definition as well. Of course, it would be more proper to say "I collect direct era newsstand edition books"; but its a mouthful and nobody is going to say that. One forgotten fact is that the direct market in the 90's also solicited "newsstand" versions of comics without an associated gimmick cover that are not true newsstand editions. This is a newsstand version that does not have the hologram on it, but it doesn't have a bar code either. It could not have been sold at a newsstand.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer @Redshade that first book is the subject of this argument/discussion. Technically it is a newsstand book as it was sold on a newsstand, but no newsstand collectors would consider it a "newsstand edition" as there was no direct market at that time (what you have is the only "variation" of that book, there are no others). Second book you are correct, direct edition. Third book, damn you are right on the cusp there. I cant recall exactly what issue XMen started with direct/NS. I think it is #122, DB may be able to confirm I collect newsstand editions on some comics, and I consider any comic sold on the newsstand as being a newsstand version whether there is a direct market counterpart or not. While your assertion may be generally true, it is not entirely true. As long as CBCS is consistent with how they mark the comics they grade, I don't have a problem with a newsstand comic being labeled as such. The existence of a direct market counterpart is not required for the note to be true and accurate.
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Here is the announcement that CBCS made on April 6th, 2017. Most of it anyway. All that is missing is a quote from Borock on the bottom. Anyway, the way I read this is that they will specify newsstand or direct on ALL comics from 1977 to 2000. Whether there is a corresponding comic of the opposite designation is up to the collector IMO. This is the best way to approach this from a business standpoint. The research alone would be daunting and near impossible. I just wanted to add this for clarification on what CBCS stated in the beginning.
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Collector 1.11K	1.11K Redshade private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O Here is the announcement that CBCS made on April 6th, 2017. Most of it anyway. All that is missing is a quote from Borock on the bottom. Anyway, the way I read this is that they will specify newsstand or direct on ALL comics from 1977 to 2000. Whether there is a corresponding comic of the opposite designation is up to the collector IMO. This is the best way to approach this from a business standpoint. The research alone would be daunting and near impossible. I just wanted to add this for clarification on what CBCS stated in the beginning. Hi Jesse. So where does my X-Men 121 stand (post 27)?
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	I still haven’t figured out why CBCS stops the differentiation at 2000 when newsstand sales for Marvel went up through 2013 and DC almost through 2017... Even now I can still find Archie, Bongo (Simpsons,) Plankton (Spongebob,) and Alterna comics on newsstands at B&N
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@Redshade It would be labeled newsstand if you resubmitted it. Marvel started identifying the direct editions with a line through the barcode. Your comic came out in May, 1979. All of the X-Men #121 comics that I looked at in Google image and on eBay have a complete barcode. I know that is a small sampling. But I would guess that a direct edition X-Men #121 (1979) would be more rare than the newsstand. It is quite likely that the X-men title wasn't offered in a direct edition until later. This is where it is up to the collector to do the studying. There may be no direct edition counterpart for this comic. And I know that comic was slabbed before April, 2017, The new label, introduced in January, 2017, has the foil CBCS shield. Your label does not have that.
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Collector 1.11K	1.11K Redshade private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O @Redshade It would be labeled newsstand if you resubmitted it. Marvel started identifying the direct editions with a line through the barcode. Your comic came out in May, 1979. All of the X-Men #121 comics that I looked at in Google image and on eBay have a complete barcode. I know that is a small sampling. But I would guess that a direct edition X-Men #121 (1979) would be more rare than the newsstand. It is quite likely that the X-men title wasn't offered in a direct edition until later. This is where it is up to the collector to do the studying. There may be no direct edition counterpart for this comic. And I know that comic was slabbed before April, 2017, The new label, introduced in January, 2017, has the foil CBCS shield. Your label does not have that. Thanks @Jesse_O I have been searching for that comic in my CBCS history to no avail. This must have been in the first batch that I sent to you via a third party circa 7/8 2016. Since then I have sent several batches to you direct as I found this cheaper. So if I send this 121 back to you with my next batch for re-labelling how much would that cost and how would I indicate on the submission form that this is what I wish to happen?
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@Redshade It wouldn't help if you sent it to me, I'm not a CBCS employee!! LOL!!! But, if you want to send it my way, I won't complain!!! In all seriousness though, I BELIEVE you could get by just submitting it for a reholder. You might want to contact CBCS Customer Service on that one though. Just to make SURE that the label will have the "newsstand' designation. The costs would depend if you have a paid membership or not. All the fees are on the online form found on the CBCS website.
	7 years ago	Post 47 • IP flag post

Collector 1.11K	1.11K Redshade private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@Jesse_O By "sending it back to you" I meant CBCS rather than you personally of course . I'll get in touch with customer service when I send my next batch in which I think will be after their relocation.
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Collector 3.72K	3.72K CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Redshade Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O @Redshade It would be labeled newsstand if you resubmitted it. Marvel started identifying the direct editions with a line through the barcode. Your comic came out in May, 1979. All of the X-Men #121 comics that I looked at in Google image and on eBay have a complete barcode. I know that is a small sampling. But I would guess that a direct edition X-Men #121 (1979) would be more rare than the newsstand. It is quite likely that the X-men title wasn't offered in a direct edition until later. This is where it is up to the collector to do the studying. There may be no direct edition counterpart for this comic. And I know that comic was slabbed before April, 2017, The new label, introduced in January, 2017, has the foil CBCS shield. Your label does not have that. Thanks @Jesse_O I have been searching for that comic in my CBCS history to no avail. This must have been in the first batch that I sent to you via a third party circa 7/8 2016. Since then I have sent several batches to you direct as I found this cheaper. So if I send this 121 back to you with my next batch for re-labelling how much would that cost and how would I indicate on the submission form that this is what I wish to happen? Save your money, put it towards having another book graded. No buyer would return that book, for the reason you think they might. This whole newsstand/direct issue overall in this thread is pretty minor, it will need to be corrected once the CBCS Census rolls out, though. Far as a "Newsstand Edition" on a CBCS or CGC label netting a premium...nope. It's not needed. If it's a newsstand book, just put "Newsstand Edition UPC Code" in the auction title and bam, newsstand collectors will see your listing. If it's worth a premium, you'll get it. Here are some NM 98 CGC 9.8's, sold recently on ebay. Newsstands on this book catch a premium, but not a metric effton of a premium. I do see a lot of raw copies, certainly books that would grade at below 9.4's...getting sizable price hikes when noted as "newsstands". Which is nonsense, because only cherry (9.2/9.4 minimum) copies should catch a premium...not F/VF's or VF's. $1400 CGC SS 9.8 newsstand (not a good example, actually...it was a low BIN) https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MUTANTS-98-Newsstand-Edition-CGC-SS-9-8-ROB-LIEFELD-SIGNED/222486887539?hash=item33cd407c73:g:pK4AAOSw5UZY~i-Y $1230 newsstand https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mutants-98-CGC-9-8-NM-MT-WHITE-Pages-Universal-No-Reserve-/202305140895?hash=item2f1a53789f%3Ag%3AkUgAAOSwlcZZidPb&nma=true&si=1MhkCfgFY8ZsHIT8z7gZMNjSxyo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 newsstand 9.8 SS Lee / Leifeld $1999. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mutants-98-CGC-9-8-NEWSSTAND-Signed-Rob-Liefield-Stan-Lee-1st-DEADPOOL/183195367466?hash=item2aa74b782a:g:iOgAAOSw7Bda33Rj Here's a doozy... CGC 9.8 SS Liefeld DIRECT edition at $2100 sold, per GPA. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mutants-98-first-Deadpool-CGC-9-8-Signature-Series-signed-by-Rob-Liefeld/222979769480?epid=85409096&hash=item33eaa14488:g:n14AAOSw5PJa5pfG https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mutants-98-first-Deadpool-CGC-9-8-Signature-Series-signed-by-Rob-Liefeld/222979769480?epid=85409096&hash=item33eaa14488:g:n14AAOSw5PJa5pfG
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Collector 1.11K	1.11K Redshade private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Quote: Originally Posted by Redshade Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O @Redshade It would be labeled newsstand if you resubmitted it. Marvel started identifying the direct editions with a line through the barcode. Your comic came out in May, 1979. All of the X-Men #121 comics that I looked at in Google image and on eBay have a complete barcode. I know that is a small sampling. But I would guess that a direct edition X-Men #121 (1979) would be more rare than the newsstand. It is quite likely that the X-men title wasn't offered in a direct edition until later. This is where it is up to the collector to do the studying. There may be no direct edition counterpart for this comic. And I know that comic was slabbed before April, 2017, The new label, introduced in January, 2017, has the foil CBCS shield. Your label does not have that. Thanks @Jesse_O I have been searching for that comic in my CBCS history to no avail. This must have been in the first batch that I sent to you via a third party circa 7/8 2016. Since then I have sent several batches to you direct as I found this cheaper. So if I send this 121 back to you with my next batch for re-labelling how much would that cost and how would I indicate on the submission form that this is what I wish to happen? Save your money, put it towards having another book graded. No buyer would return that book, for the reason you think they might. This whole newsstand/direct issue overall in this thread is pretty minor, it will need to be corrected once the CBCS Census rolls out, though. Far as a "Newsstand Edition" on a CBCS or CGC label netting a premium...nope. It's not needed. If it's a newsstand book, just put "Newsstand Edition UPC Code" in the auction title and bam, newsstand collectors will see your listing. If it's worth a premium, you'll get it. Here are some NM 98 CGC 9.8's, sold recently on ebay. Newsstands on this book catch a premium, but not a metric effton of a premium. I do see a lot of raw copies, certainly books that would grade at below 9.4's...getting sizable price hikes when noted as "newsstands". Which is nonsense, because only cherry (9.2/9.4 minimum) copies should catch a premium...not F/VF's or VF's. $1400 CGC SS 9.8 newsstand (not a good example, actually...it was a low BIN) https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MUTANTS-98-Newsstand-Edition-CGC-SS-9-8-ROB-LIEFELD-SIGNED/222486887539?hash=item33cd407c73:g:pK4AAOSw5UZY~i-Y $1230 newsstand https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mutants-98-CGC-9-8-NM-MT-WHITE-Pages-Universal-No-Reserve-/202305140895?hash=item2f1a53789f%3Ag%3AkUgAAOSwlcZZidPb&nma=true&si=1MhkCfgFY8ZsHIT8z7gZMNjSxyo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 newsstand 9.8 SS Lee / Leifeld $1999. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mutants-98-CGC-9-8-NEWSSTAND-Signed-Rob-Liefield-Stan-Lee-1st-DEADPOOL/183195367466?hash=item2aa74b782a:g:iOgAAOSw7Bda33Rj Here's a doozy... CGC 9.8 SS Liefeld DIRECT edition at $2100 sold, per GPA. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mutants-98-first-Deadpool-CGC-9-8-Signature-Series-signed-by-Rob-Liefeld/222979769480?epid=85409096&hash=item33eaa14488:g:n14AAOSw5PJa5pfG https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mutants-98-first-Deadpool-CGC-9-8-Signature-Series-signed-by-Rob-Liefeld/222979769480?epid=85409096&hash=item33eaa14488:g:n14AAOSw5PJa5pfG That's all good advice @CopperAgeKids I think that I'll do as you suggest. I don't expect to sell these at a premium. I have them (all duplicates) priced at about guide, but you know how pedantic potential purchasers can be so I wanted to be correct in my listing. Anyway I can now just cut and paste this post to any doubters.
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O The research alone would be daunting and near impossible. Not true, and there are plenty of resources available to CBCS, if they chose to pursue it.
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O It would be labeled newsstand if you resubmitted it. Marvel started identifying the direct editions with a line through the barcode. Your comic came out in May, 1979. All of the X-Men #121 comics that I looked at in Google image and on eBay have a complete barcode. I know that is a small sampling. But I would guess that a direct edition X-Men #121 (1979) would be more rare than the newsstand. There is no Direct version of X-Men #121. As well, Marvel started identifying Direct editions with the FAT DIAMONDS of Feb, 1977...not the slashed barcodes. THIS: ...is a DIRECT MARKET copy. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Direct cover markings went company-wide with the JUNE, 1979 cover dates. By the way, here are all the Direct market editions for Marvels PRIOR TO June of 1979: http://www.bipcomics.com/showcase/Direct/index.php In fact, that page plagiarized my words from a message board post, probably on the Valiantfans or CGC board. Not impossible at all. Not even very difficult. CBCS initially refused to differentiate "newsstand editions" from Direct editions AT ALL...until they didn't. Here is the corresponding DC Whitmans: http://web.archive.org/web/20131210085545/http://stlcomics.com/checklists/whitman (may not work.)
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Joosh I still haven’t figured out why CBCS stops the differentiation at 2000 when newsstand sales for Marvel went up through 2013 and DC almost through 2017... That's a great question.
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@DocBrown Thank you for clarifying the issue. I enjoyed looking at the BIP site. I had not seen that site before. However, it does appear to be outdated. The copyright goes to 2013. Also, the article that you quoted about the list of 1977 - 1979 direct edition comics has a disclaimer paragraph. Quote: Originally Posted by BIP article The list below contains grids for those titles known to have diamond cover issues published during the 1977 to 1979 time period. Links to examples are provided in the cases where I have an image to prove the existence of a diamond cover issue. This is not a complete set of titles or issues and the examples given below will expand over time as new discoveries are made. Only the comics that he had examples of are highlighted. So it's quite possible that issues need to added to that list. Having said that, it is a GREAT reference tool for those interested in newsstand editions. And with that, it's time for me to call it a night.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O @DocBrown Thank you for clarifying the issue. I enjoyed looking at the BIP site. I had not seen that site before. However, it does appear to be outdated. The copyright goes to 2013. Also, the article that you quoted about the list of 1977 - 1979 direct edition comics has a disclaimer paragraph. Quote: Originally Posted by BIP article The list below contains grids for those titles known to have diamond cover issues published during the 1977 to 1979 time period. Links to examples are provided in the cases where I have an image to prove the existence of a diamond cover issue. This is not a complete set of titles or issues and the examples given below will expand over time as new discoveries are made. Only the comics that he had examples of are highlighted. So it's quite possible that issues need to added to that list. Having said that, it is a GREAT reference tool for those interested in newsstand editions. And with that, it's time for me to call it a night. This is where deferring to those with extensive experience in specific areas like this would be helpful to those not as familiar with these things. That list is functionally complete, and has been complete since about 2005-2006. There is a small, but very, very dedicated group of collectors who have been tracking and cataloging these books for two decades or more. Is it possible that "missing issues" could be found? Of course. Anything is possible. Is it "quite possible", or even likely...? No. Marvels were, and remain, the most widely collected comics of those eras. Once the initial research was completed, the list was filled out, and is functionally full. And how do I know that...? Because no new issues have been found since then. For example: no one has ever found a "fat diamond" copy of Amazing Spiderman #182. And yet, almost all the other fat and skinny diamond Direct issues are for sale on a regular basis, including right now. Does that mean an ASM #182 fat diamond COULDN'T exist? No. But, when all the rest of the issues are found with regularity, but no one's seen or produced a copy of ASM #182....which would have no special reason to be so rare...then the likelihood is that it simply doesn't exist. And if one was found, I would say "that's incredible! What were the INCREDIBLY unique factors that led to such a book remaining undetected for 40 years??" If I had any questions about these sorts of minutiae, I would contact Metarog, shield-agent, or flying donut...and they have contacted me about similar issues...because these guys have spent those 2 decades+ studying these fields. Metarog, for example, was the very first person to not only recognize that Marvel had printed 30 and 35 cent variants in 1976 and 1977 for every single Marvel issue published, but also known to have ASSEMBLED complete sets of both. The guy knows more than just about anyone with regards to Bronze age variants. It would be a mistake to constantly have to reinvent the wheel, when there are already pioneers and trailblazers who have already done the heavy lifting for you. It need only be asked.
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