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Don't be nervous about getting book press. It is easy to do and odds of them damaging your book are slim to none.


LOL, you're talking to the wrong guy. I'm just curious if this is standard practice among pressers. Seems like he's not taking responsibility if he ruins your comic? Don't pressers have insurance for that kind of thing?


Talking to the wrong guy. Lol get a panther press and some Absorene dry cleaning clay and practice. Set your panther press at between 175 and 190 degrees, and press for about 20 minutes. 25 tops. Then immediately into a cold press for at least an hour.
When you put comic in press I put a magazine board down first on bottom pad, then a piece of parchment paper down or teflon sheet. Then add a hint of moisture to the comic by passing it briefly in front of a clothes steamer. Remember just a hint of steamer which weakens the paper and allows it to become plyable. Then put comic into press and add another piece of parchment paper on top of comic then another magazine board. Close press.
When closing you want to have it close with as much pressure as you can to get handle down kind of snap down secure. There is an adjustment for how tight press closes so you can adjust it to comic thicknesses.
So now you have your book in press sandwiched between two magazine boards on the outer, and two parachment papers between that with comic in middle. Hmmmm.... why parchment paper. Well that makes sure there is no sticking of comic covers to press which could take place when removing from press.
Ok so timer goes off. Release from press. The move comic as quickly and safely as possible to another press set up exactly the same but with NO HEAT. Why you ask. Well when you take comic out of heat pressing it will want to slowly curl up just a little along opening edge of book.. so the cold press allows book to cool down for an hour or so and when you open it. It will be super flat.
Oh I mentioned Absorene dry cleaning clay. Think of play doh with dry cleaning solution in ot. Make a palm size ball and lightly roll across soiled areas. This will only remove dirt and not water or oil stains. I have used this to lift dark areas or light dirty areas from old comics.
You must be careful with this stuff in that if you go too fast near an edge you might grab and open edge and pull it up bending it. I have used this as a mild eraser technique, but only rub from the middle toward the outside of comic, never starting from and edge and rubbing or rolling toward middle as you might pull, wrinkle or rip and edge.
So if you are trying to get a stubborn non color breaking crease out and it kind of comes out but it's still subtlety there, repeat process.
But what do I know.


Again you misunderstand. I am anti-pressing, have been for 16 years, ever since CGC surreptitiously forced the hobby to accept it. I will never press a book and I believe CGC could detect it if they wanted to, but that would cost them too much money (both in CPR submissions and actually detecting it). Pressing is restoration and I would never buy a book that I knew was pressed.

"It will be super flat."

That's a good thing?
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Just go this route

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And some of this

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And some old drek books and alot alot of trial and error until you find your sweet spot


That heat press is way too hot for pressing comics. If you notice the operating range is from 120°C (about 248° F)up. At the minimum temperature the heat will melt the ink and fuse the pages together on modern books. That would be too hot for any comic. BTW, the teflon sheet will make the cover too shiny. It's sad when guys buy a heat press and ruin books when they don't know what they're doing.
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Don't be nervous about getting book press. It is easy to do and odds of them damaging your book are slim to none.


LOL, you're talking to the wrong guy. I'm just curious if this is standard practice among pressers. Seems like he's not taking responsibility if he ruins your comic? Don't pressers have insurance for that kind of thing?


Talking to the wrong guy. Lol get a panther press and some Absorene dry cleaning clay and practice. Set your panther press at between 175 and 190 degrees, and press for about 20 minutes. 25 tops. Then immediately into a cold press for at least an hour.
When you put comic in press I put a magazine board down first on bottom pad, then a piece of parchment paper down or teflon sheet. Then add a hint of moisture to the comic by passing it briefly in front of a clothes steamer. Remember just a hint of steamer which weakens the paper and allows it to become plyable. Then put comic into press and add another piece of parchment paper on top of comic then another magazine board. Close press.
When closing you want to have it close with as much pressure as you can to get handle down kind of snap down secure. There is an adjustment for how tight press closes so you can adjust it to comic thicknesses.
So now you have your book in press sandwiched between two magazine boards on the outer, and two parachment papers between that with comic in middle. Hmmmm.... why parchment paper. Well that makes sure there is no sticking of comic covers to press which could take place when removing from press.
Ok so timer goes off. Release from press. The move comic as quickly and safely as possible to another press set up exactly the same but with NO HEAT. Why you ask. Well when you take comic out of heat pressing it will want to slowly curl up just a little along opening edge of book.. so the cold press allows book to cool down for an hour or so and when you open it. It will be super flat.
Oh I mentioned Absorene dry cleaning clay. Think of play doh with dry cleaning solution in ot. Make a palm size ball and lightly roll across soiled areas. This will only remove dirt and not water or oil stains. I have used this to lift dark areas or light dirty areas from old comics.
You must be careful with this stuff in that if you go too fast near an edge you might grab and open edge and pull it up bending it. I have used this as a mild eraser technique, but only rub from the middle toward the outside of comic, never starting from and edge and rubbing or rolling toward middle as you might pull, wrinkle or rip and edge.
So if you are trying to get a stubborn non color breaking crease out and it kind of comes out but it's still subtlety there, repeat process.
But what do I know.


Again you misunderstand. I am anti-pressing, have been for 16 years, ever since CGC surreptitiously forced the hobby to accept it. I will never press a book and I believe CGC could detect it if they wanted to, but that would cost them too much money (both in CPR submissions and actually detecting it). Pressing is restoration and I would never buy a book that I knew was pressed.

"It will be super flat."

That's a good thing?


Lol this is almost comical. Do you think CGC defined pressing as a standard or if it is defined as restoration vs conservation.


I watched CGC dupe the hobby into accepting pressing, yes.

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My Aunt is one of the world's most respected book and paper restorers. Currently some of her restored books are on display at the Louve in France. She clearly states conservation vs restoration is clearly defined and always has been.


Congrats to your aunt, she has higher standards than CGC.

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I am glad some people don't press their books. That will allow me to continue to have some of the highest graded books out there.


Yeah, but with your books, that's like polishing a turd.

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You don't think a golden age book comes out of a 70 year old collection and just gets a 9.8 by pure chance do you?


My point exactly.
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Just go this route

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And some of this

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And some old drek books and alot alot of trial and error until you find your sweet spot


That heat press is way too hot for pressing comics. If you notice the operating range is from 120°C (about 248° F)up. At the minimum temperature the heat will melt the ink and fuse the pages together on modern books. That would be too hot for any comic. BTW, the teflon sheet will make the cover too shiny. It's sad when guys buy a heat press and ruin books when they don't know what they're doing.


Does it look like I melted the comics I just posted at 9.8. As far as glossiness use parchment paper if you are concerned
Nope he was right I didn't see the high temp range of that press I linked. If it doesn't go down to 175 to 180 degrees Fahrenheit I wouldn't buy it. From what I've seen if you go too hot on a book it could get wavy


Again the rheostat starts at 200 degrees but it comes on way before you go to that first number you can set it as lower just don't turn it up to that first number indicating 200. I used a thermometer and found the lower heats and marked them on top. ie...150, 175 etc...
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CGC was no more duped into pressing than most everyone else into thinking variant covers and issues have some value. Everyone bought into that it appears as well.
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ok off work have a great Sunday.
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CGC was no more duped into pressing


Huh? CGC was duped into pressing? LOL

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than most everyone else into thinking variant covers and issues have some value. Everyone bought into that it appears as well.


CGC wasn't even around in the early 90s.
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@JWKyle
Cool Deathlok cover always thought he was an under used character
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Is there a bunch of thread deleting happening here?
Glad some of you are quoting, or I wouldn't have been able to follow.
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I think JWKyle and Earthshaker went back and changed all their posts to happy faces.
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Is there a bunch of thread deleting happening here?
Glad some of you are quoting, or I wouldn't have been able to follow.
No CBCS did not edit them Eathshaker and I self edited our self. I personally do not want to turn this into a flame war.
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Which pressing threads always turn into
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Exactly and I don't want to let the cat out of the bag on pressing and have someone damage their books
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Is there a bunch of thread deleting happening here?
Glad some of you are quoting, or I wouldn't have been able to follow.
No CBCS did not edit them Eathshaker and I self edited our self. I personally do not want to turn this into a flame war.


Good to hear. Poor earthshaker was embarrassing himself anyway.
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Stelbert_Stylton I pm'ed you
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Exactly and I don't want to let the cat out of the bag on pressing and have someone damage their books


That horse left the barn years ago.
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I'll try and post a great video link regarding pressing and different techniques later. Gives a good understanding of the pitfalls and different types of books and adjustments to different eras of comics. Shows subtle changes needed if pressing a new comic vs day a golden age. Got to see if video I'd still up, been awhile since I watched.
Going to try and press some waves out of a new book. Believe it or not knowing the type of paper a comics is printed on is good to know, prior to getting started.
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Exactly and I don't want to let the cat out of the bag on pressing and have someone damage their books


That horse left the barn years ago.
And just to set the record straight and not coming off in a argumentative way I am pro pressing and you are anti pressing and I don't think anything that we could say to each other is going to sway anyone anyway I edited what I could so this didn't turn into a pressing thread and if someone what to try to piece together what they can go do searches on the cgc forums just make sure you have a lot of time to sift through the BS
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I only press books I plan to sell. I used Joe Grisola though CBCS and he did awesome work. Gave a few a cleaning as well.
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Is there a bunch of thread deleting happening here?
Glad some of you are quoting, or I wouldn't have been able to follow.
No CBCS did not edit them Eathshaker and I self edited our self. I personally do not want to turn this into a flame war.



Oh, I didn't think CBCS did anything. That's why I said "deleting". When Mods do it, it's called poofing (one for the OOC thread).

I just wanted to make sure my cognitive skills were still working.
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Yes pressing is an interesting option whether you do it yourself or pay to have it done. It's is amazing what a good presser can do with a comic. I hear there are several out there and more all the time. Just be careful who you choose our of you do it yourself.
Pressing can only remove some non colorbreaking bends and make a comic flat. I know joe did a great job I was really surprised to get a 9.2 out of this one book I sent him. I would have been happy with a 8.5 but he got it to a 9.2.
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FYI. I think the going rate for a pressing is between 10 and 20 dollars depending on who you use. It's worth it. I had CFP through cbcs press 20 comics for me. Well worth the money spent, at least for me although apparently some people here think my comics are "turda" as they put it.
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@earthshaker01 I would be interested in that video if you ever find it.
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