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| The scenes with Thanos really dragged after starting with an amped up beginning. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth No, I think he said there was only one way to defeat Thanos, period. Not "defeat Thanos in the battle on Titan." And I don't know what lie you are referring to ... what Dr. Strange did WAS "the only way" to defeat Thanos. Remember, it's not one CHANCE in 14 million. It's one SOLUTION out of 14 million possible combinations to try. And Strange saw that solution. I was going back and forth, on whether the 50% cull will be undone in Avengers 4. Morales could replace Parker in Homecoming 2; Shuri could be the next Black Panther (which would be awesome); Dr. Strange can be replaced with the next Sorcerer Supreme. The Guardians of the Galaxy is a little problematic, with only two of them left and Starlord gone. Not sure what the next movie could be, unless Starlord's genetic heritage somehow allows him to come back. But its a bold choice, to end 10 years of a single arc like that, with so many key characters dead and the Avengers defeated. But in the end, that won't stick. They WILL reverse it somehow. Foghorn_Sam said it: if they don't, then what's the point? Thanos did what he wanted to do, killed half the universe. He's done. Retired. The heroes dont have anything to stop in the next movie, without Thanos. But they do have one thing to undo. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Chadwick Boseman and Benedict Cumberbatch are too large of a draw to be replaced so soon. So I doubt that they will remain dead, as for Guardians, only Rockets left I thought, Gamora was obviously taken out and Starlord, Mantis, Drax and Groot dissolved. Though I’m assuming you are referring to Nebula as the second, which makes sense. Holland’s no going anywhere either, they’d set up an Ultimate universe or some transitions for Miles Morales. Marvel always sets up the next move, so any of the aforementioned characters have no heir apparent. One of the big 3 is gonna be the big sacrifice, Cap has the most “replacements” as Bucky or Falcon could succeed him, Iron Man doesn’t really have someone set up but I think he will “retire” rather than be killed and Thor could go, but again, I don’t know who would “replace” him. Ultimately, my opinion is Cap will likely die, and of the current dead, I’m really only concerned with Gamora, Scarlett Witch and Vision not coming back. Nebula could replace Gamora while Vision and Scarlett Witches story line seems to be at the end. Falcon, War Machine and Bucky are likely to come back. Though as I type, I realize War Machine could replace Iron Man, but marvel might want to retire Downey so they could conceivably call him back if they need a ratings boost? |
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| @Tedsaid If we gotta get technical: Dr. Strange: I went forward in time, to view alternate futures. To see all the possible outcomes of the coming conflict. Tony Stark: How many did you see? Dr. Strange: 14,000,605. Tony Stark: How many did we win? Dr. Strange: One... Dr. Strange says "Coming Conflict." They were on Titan at that moment and they knew Thanos was coming. This was the coming conflict he was running through his mind with his gem to see if they had a chance. One out of 14,000,605. But then again, he could have been talking about the entire conflict... But he never told anyone that he would be dead nor all the other super-heroes that would go poof. If he knew he was going to go poof, he also would have seen that Tony would have been left alive, therefore he would have told Tony about the ONE possible win and what he needed to do in order to make it happen. Just my opinion. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth I’m gonna play devils advocate here. He couldn’t tell Stark. If he told Stark, Stark might have tried to make it happen, where the one scenario where they win, has to happen organically. It’s like being told your future, if you know where you are going to end up, you will go out of your way to try and get there, and during that process you may make a wrong decision thinking that it’s the right one. That make sense or is that too out there? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by stanley1883 None of the leading characters will die. Like in comics - characters can be revived. Will guarantee that even Loki is not dead |
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| If Loki comes back that would be cheap, I’d seriously be disappointed if everyone was ok in the end. They even alluded to Loki cheating death so many time, that would be weak in my opinion | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by stanley1883 Exactly |
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Quote:Originally Posted by stanley1883 Precisely - how many times has he not died before - he is the master of presumably dying. Remember he is very skillful with illusions |
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| Loki is a master of illusion. So is Dr Strange. Never forget that. We may have witnessed copies of them dying. Dr Strange could have still had an illusion give the real stone to Thanos. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by stanley1883 This has the potential to be the highest grossing film of all time. Unlikely you would kill the golden goose, or Loki, Star-Lord or any of them. Had it bombed, maybe. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke But if it was an illusion, Thanos couldn’t have used it to reverse time and take the Mind stone from Vision right? An illusion of the Time Stone wouldn’t be able to actually DO the same thing, it would only look like it? |
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| I said real stone tho | ||
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| Oh I get it, it was Dr Stranges illusion of giving away the stone, like a copy of him | ||
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| It's obvious Capt. Marvel is part of the puzzle and I believe her, Dr. Strange and the time stone are connected in some way that will bring about a victory for our heroes in the next movie. How they play it out is of course why we will go see the next movie. | ||
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| But Strange's Illusion's were shattered by Thanos when they fought on Titan. (It was a great try by Strange tho.) I''m sure Thanos would know if he was the real Strange or an illusion. And when Strange disintegrates, it wasn't that Thanos' power could be fooled. It was omnipresent, and there was no running or hiding from it. As for Strange not telling Tony the one way to defeat Thanos because it might actually change the real outcome, well, by telling him how could have also forced Tony into actually making the one possibility happen as well. It could go either way. |
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| Remember the old times where every Saturday night there would be an episode of any given series where the superhero either appeared dead or was in a total hopeless situation just for the next episode to show have he managed to get away with it. It is called a cliff hanger  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by stanley1883 Well, they had a couple hours off-screen. That's time enough for a long conversation about what's going to happen, and what Stark needs to do. They wouldn't show that in this movie, as it would ruin the surprise and suspense. I think Dr. Strange is still connected somehow to the Time Stone, as someone suggested. That will come into play. And I think Vision will be repaired, but will still have a connection to the Mind Stone. He alluded to maybe being able to control it eventually. That will come into play, too. And perhaps Loki pulled a trick with the Space Stone? As well as a very difficult illusion on the whole dying ploy? I think it wasn't him with the knife, somehow, but an illusion. I mean, where did the knife come from, anyway? Does Loki have the power to make one out of thin air like that? Well, it makes sense, that a bunch of things have to come together to make an attack on Thanos successful. Maybe that is the way ... to find an approach to attack / control some or all of the infinity stones individually. BTW @GanaSoth, that's a pretty impressive feat of eidetic memory there, with the direct quotes. Or do you have access to the movie somehow? |
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| Let us remember who and what Dr. Strange is, this movie in terms of magic was "the Pledge" and "the Turn", the next movie will be the "the Prestige". As far as Dr. Strange telling Tony anything, the secret of the trick, the first rule of magic is “Never reveal the trick”. | ||
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| I think Dr. Strange said exactly what needed to be said to achieve that 1 in 14 million outcome. I think everything he said is relevant. 1) He bargained for Tony Stark's life. That seems to be significant since Thanos was going to kill him. It also could explain why he wasn't choking up blood at the end of the battle. Maybe he lives so Paltrow suits up to come save him. 2) He said "This is the Endgame." That's a strange choice of words when every word matters. Perhaps the Grandmaster has a role later in the sequel and this is all a game. |
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| Anyway - I thought scarlet witch was amazing whereas I was disappointed that vision didn’t used his skills better | ||
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| Yes, it was disappointing that the Vision, who should have been one the most powerful, was rendered pretty useless and was essentially a liability for all the film. A big "miss" over what could have been. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Marvel doesn't seem to realize how cool the Vision was when he first appeared in comics. His relationship with Wanda really ruined everything cool about him. That's a horrible place to start with him. |
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| Also I don’t understand the battle scene in Wakunda not sure who the military strategists they used on the movie. I would have thought that In a situation like that - you only let as many in as you think you can defeat. Hence - they should have block the access to the section they opened after a while But of course that was not the point of the movie |
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| Chris Pratt's success with Jurassic Park makes it unlikely that he'll be in the next Guardians movie. I think all the characters standing at the end of the movie are standing because Marvel considered them the biggest box office draw. How many people would give up on Avengers 4 if they saw Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and Hulk dead at the end of this movie? For that reason, I think you see them all alive. Falcon is not so critical for box office sales. I'm wondering if all the CGI guys that normally work on Hulk were too busy working on Thanos for this movie. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by X51 I know that wiki is not that reliable but look at the starring list https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untitled_Avengers_film Even Loki is in the list  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka There's a lot of things they should've done. Starlord should've been helping get the guantlet off his hand or prying the stones loose. The people with the stones should've been using them as a weapon instead of hiding them or handing them over. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by X51 Thanos' cronies and even Thanos himself seemed to have some awareness of the general locations of the stones, so trying to hide them was pretty much pointless. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka I think it's incomplete. We could still see Lawrence Fishburne as Black Goliath or as an assisting character. |
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| I dont think it was a coincidence that the Avengers 'original 6' remained at the end. After all it is still an avengers movie. But for 1 or 2 of them, its more than likely their last hurrah. As for who remains dead, Loki and Heimdall are safe bets. Id say everyone that was 'dusted' with the snap, comes back. Gamora lives. I think she is going to be the key to defeating Thanos. Plus i cant see a Guardians 3 without her.. As for Doc Strange giving up the Time Stone. I think he saw that the only scenario where they come out (of the 14 million) involves Tony Starks. |
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