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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Agreed. Both parties do share some of the blame. But the quote of not knowing if there was a stain makes me side on the nuyers' side, ultimately. Far as not examining the book in 20 days being BS, I do not fully agree with that. I have about 20 unopened eBay auction wins and BIN's, piled up.Good books, too. Hell, I have a NM 98 sitting in a box...Preacher 1...my cherry Blackhawk 133 ...unpressed...it looked like a 8.0-ish copy...for all I know it could be missing a page or have resto...but I doubt it, as the seller was unaware of what he had. However, I am fully aware that if any of the books are less than I bargained for, there is nothing I can do about that as it has been more than a year (on a lot of them) since I bought them. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Jeez, there's inconsiderate all over the hobby  Proud to be the 3rd buyer.Fortunately I can afford to wait 6 months if needed because I don't rely on comics as an income, or as a means to fund my collection. So I guess I'd wait. But I'd probably attempt at least one message to the buyer, asking if all is well. Of course, I'd only be selling dozens or so, not hundreds. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Hope you're right. Masochism was unaware of what he had too. |
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| @drchaos @CopperAgeKids eBay policy gives you 30 days to request a return so 20 days is clearly within those guidelines. The buyer is following policy. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS I have only gotten burnt once on eBay...but yeah, it is a possibility. I know a good deal about buying books, Masochism does not, all due respect to him. The sort of sellers I buy from are almost all non-comic dealers; the sort that has no idea WTF they have in the first place; that's why I buy from those sorts of sellers. They get less views. I've gotten burnt one one restored book I bought off eBay, since the late 90's; happened about 2 years ago. Book was listed by...A comic seller ..lol..with 100% positive feedback...As unrestored in Fine. What looked like a production crease on the FC in the auction listing was a sealed tear. I won't lose money on the book, but won't make money either. It's an easy fix to rub some of the adhesive off, and just unseal/rip the sealed tear...whammo, it is no longer a restored book. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS And it would have resolved quickly and easily had the buyer provided pictures, as it would have here. Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown You’re still assuming there is actually a stain. No evidence has been provided. |
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Day 2 - now I can finally get myself a  |
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| huh. Now anyone can 'create' a small stain on the interior of the book when struck by the dreaded Buyer's Remorse. or a small tear on page 13. or fold page 14. 100% refund by ebay. Classy. Feel free to bid twice as much as you're comfortable under ordinary circumstances, because you can now test drive a raw book for 30 days. Ebay's got your back. smh |
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| what is the definition of 'small', when it comes to stains? | ||
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| I think if I ever sell a raw book I'm doing a video of me turning through the pages then coming in on main cover defects (to help identify the book) and then sealing in the mailer.. Not saying the op did this, but 20 days is more than enough time to spill a few drops of your morning coffee in the middle of your book while flicking through it and then get some buyers remorse for spending $ 200 on it |
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| Boys...I think we're losing sight of what's important here. I may despise Corporate America , but we're all just a couple of guys who collect comics (for fun or profit). I'm not sure how or why this turned into a soap box for character assassination ..maybe it's ego...maybe someone had a bad day (Ive certainly had a few), but man...you guys gotta let this go. It's lost it's point long ago . I see a lot of justification through forced logic and even more reactionary triggers. You've got guys taking sides like we're back in the cold war and guys stirring shit because they enjoy it. We all have opinions about this situation...none of us were hands on except these two. So everything is assumption/hearsay as each side is tactical in expressing their role . I think both sides have valid concerns and the bottom line is it doesn't matter. Its a business transaction..it didn't go well (as most don't in life) and can we please move on so I can enjoy coming back to the boards instead of snorting anti anxiety meds just so i can log in |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wraith I really do not appreciate insinuations that I am not telling the truth here. The seller admits that he did not inspect the book and sold it without looking at the interior. The stain is behind the black part of the cover where Domino is. There is no way to see it without looking at the interior. The OP will have the book in hand and will be able to see what I am talking about when he gets it back. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Marximus  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaosI'm not insinuating I'm recognising a giant gaping risk in selling comics on ebay.. 30 days is a long time to spill a coffee, tape pull a page while transferring into your own mylar, etc etc.. And still be able to claim it as not as described I'm making this comment as someone who has only ever bought comics on ebay and never sold |
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| Not getting the angst here. Most of us are just hobbyists selling for profit on EBay. Occasionally a sale goes bad, and you get the book back. You are out some time, some shipping maybe, but you get the book back. The hobby is so profitable it comes out in the wash long term. Surprised about the blocking talk, the next deal would likely go without a hitch, like 99+% do. And if you are cool about returns, which are mandatory on EBay anyway, there should be no hard feelings. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by doog This! Also, it is a two way street. While the buyer is made whole when a book is returned their time is wasted as well. In the end there are a lot of great people involved in this hobby which is why there are hundreds of great transactions for every on where something goes wrong in my experience. |
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Anyone interested I just packed  TEC 583 9.6 CGC Iron Man # 99 NM ASM #792 (keeps on selling) NM Dark Nights Metal #1 Cover A NM |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| NM 98 and the tube I received with the signed print are packed securely in a diamond box with plenty of bubble wrap and will go to the post office today. | ||
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| Look, I'm just a guy who tried to make a couple of bucks off of a couple books and it didn't go the way I had expected. Up until this point I didn't know that there were people out there who were treating the resale of used comic books on an auction site as if though it was a retail storefront selling new items. Having been forced into accepting a return because the item the buyer won didn't tickle his fancy after 20 days and his guilt-free attitude towards forcing the return down my throat just means that I won't be selling high-end raw books on eBay ever again. I learned that although I can set up my auction to not accept or offer returns I am still going to be forced to do so either by eBay or PayPal up to 180 days after the sale of an item if the buyer decides to say the item was "not as described", truth holding no power here and all. The laughable notion that I am to sit on transaction payments until a buyer decides to say "thank you" is so asinine that I can barely believe I'm addressing it. It sounds more like a hostage situation then a sale transaction. I learned I'm not allowed to have any emotion and am to act like a customer service robot when dealing with entitled customers. I am to act in a way as to remain above reproach while others are allowed to attack my integrity and speculate as to my intentions at their leisure. I feel like I just played a game of mental Hopscotch on the very line that divides well-informed fellow nerds and elitist Jabbawockee goons. At the end of the day this is a huge learning experience for me and ultimately at a very low cost. Thanks everyone involved in all those who chimed in along the way. If you want a chuckle, picture this scene: I get the book back, and I take it back to the dealer I bought it from at the convention a month ago and me telling him "There's a stain behind the cover that I couldn't see when I bought the book. I'd like a refund" and the bewildered, yet amused grin on his face as he politely told me to go &*#@ myself |
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| Also, the words "Currently Typing: DocBrown" trigger vomiting | ||
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| Wait, how is this my fault?! | ||
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| I can't tell you how many books raw I've bought that didn't end up to be my liking. I just suck it up and say "oh well" and move on. That's me personally. And as a related note, I bought a NM98, NM87, and NM1 in a package deal for $468. The NM98 had a color breaking crease on lower outer front corner. Oh well. also bought NYX 1-3 for $300 and a coupon. I was not happy with the condition of NYX3 due to 3 tiny color flakes on front cover. Moved on. Oh well. I bought a Amazing Spider-man lot of 300 comics, that included a raw newsstand ASM300. Looks fantastic! I pressed it out myself! However, there's one small problem: fingerprints on back cover. None of these books were ever fully disclosed by clearly lit and concise photos. I moved on. What can you do? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism  |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism Great song! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder lol THAT'S an even handed analysis of the situation. The way some of you gentlemen see things is quite amazing. Let's break it down: 1. A seller doesn't even bother to take a book out of "the sleeve" before listing it for sale on eBay. That's strike 1, and it's a biggie. 2. The buyer starts a thread here about his experience, but keeps the seller completely anonymous. 3. The seller...because he has a chip on his shoulder...decides to OUT HIMSELF and try to defend himself and his actions, and in the course of the discussion, takes criticism personally, rather than constructively, and lashes out in a petulant, childish manner. A sample quote: Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism This is shit teenagers who are pissed off say. This isn't professionalism. This isn't a commitment to excellence. This is petulant foot stomping. 4. The seller says things like: "Waking up to a negative PayPal balance is not something I'm prepared to deal with with much enthusiasm when I represented my items as best I could", but then acknowledges that he didn't even take the book out of the "sleeve." But you don't see the contradiction here...? How can you "represent an item as best you could" when you don't even examine the item? Did he REALLY represent an item as BEST he could...? Or did he just negligently slap up a few pictures and hope for the best...? 5. drchaos didn't "wait" 20 days...he examined it when he could. eBay's STANDARD PRACTICE is 30 days (it's why top-rated sellers MUST provide a 30 day return policy.) AMAZON'S standard practice is 30 days, which is increased to Jan 31st (92 days at that point!) starting November 1st of each year. But you, Pre-Coder, state that drchaos did something bad by "waiting 20 days" to file a complaint, even saying that that is "BULLSHIT!" 6. Also incredibly, you, Pre-Coder, state that the seller "manned up" to his responsibility...sure, after he was pilloried for his behavior, and rightly so. Is that really "manning up", or is that merely recognizing a no-win situation for him? No doubt, the seller is going to come and hurl more insults at me for pointing out these clear facts. That's fine, and to be expected. The seller STILL takes no ownership of the situation, and continues to act as if he is the aggrieved party, here. Also to be expected, but some of you are enabling and encouraging this behavior, which means the seller learns nothing valuable from the experience. How is it that this guy gets all sorts of benefit of the doubt from you, but drchaos gets none? There's such a thing as civil disagreement. There's nothing wrong with challenging something and someone. But there IS something wrong with not being even-handed, rational, and logical, instead reacting emotionally, like several of you have done, with all the "BULLSHITS", false equivalences, disingenuous replies, the serial "likes" of disparaging comments, and so on. FFS, people. Had this happened on the CGC board, the seller would be blasted, and rightly so, for not taking ownership and responsibility for this problem. Here, though...FFS. There aren't enough smhs. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer How is it that I am in the position of defending drchaos, while you are suggesting that he might be lying...? So very odd. I have no reason to doubt drchaos at this time. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos And people aren't judged for the mistakes they make, but how they react to them. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I dunno...return them? Try to work something out with the seller? Not take crummy eBay transactions on the chin? Call me crazy? |
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