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| You know what? I'm still pissed about the one-day thing, and the general unfairness of the whole situation. If you bid without asking for a picture of what you can't see, then it's on you for not seeing it. At least, that's my opinion. And that's how I behave, buying on eBay. So I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. @Masochism, if you still want to sell, then I'll buy it for the exact price you got cheated out of: $233.50, plus $4 shipping. (At least, that's what it shows on mine. Maybe the shipping is based on distance?) I bid on this book, looking for a steal and didn't get it. So $237.50 is more than I would generally pay, but why the hell not? It's definitely worth it. And that print, whoever did it, is kick-ass. (I don't know that artist, but I know what is good, and that one is damn good.) If you want to take the BIN advice someone else gave and sell it for more than that, it's totally cool with me. This is just an offer I want to make. I'll even use PayPal Friends and Family, so you'll know I won't ask for it back later. (Unless you want to use the business thing ... I think it protects both of us, but I don't use it enough to know the details.) Anyway, you'll get eBay's 10% too, which serves them right, I reckon. Just PM me if you are interested. No hurry, feel free to sleep on it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Paypal friends and family is not for purchasing merchandise. Paypal provides a service; they deserve to be paid for that service. Using a service and not paying for it is stealing. But, then, you all knew I was going to say this. If it matters that much, send a check or money order. Seller waits until it clears, same end result, no stealing from Paypal. |
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| @DocBrown LMFAO We agree here actually. 100% |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism Hey, we're all friends here, right? Amirite? lol ... no, I get you. I actually do this, DocBrown, only use friends and family when I am literally sending money to a friend. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Wouldn't know what to ask for? umm, "Hey you don't have any pictures or scans, how's the inside of the book?" At some point, the buyer entering the transaction of his own free will, has to take some of the responsibility for himself. He asked for scans instead of the pictures of the post, so he had questions. Again Caveat Emptor. And I don't disagree that if Masochism knew about the stain it should have been disclosed. |
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| @KYoung_1974 If there is, in fact, a stain, I wouldn't know. I bought it from a dealer and I actually never took it out of the sleeve EXCEPT to scan it as per buyer's request. | ||
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| I'm sure that my inbox will be full of notifications for this thread when I wake up in the morning, but I've had enough. I'm glad everything was resolved and y'all can move on. Good night, Board... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KYoung_1974 From the pictures on the listing, there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the insides of the book. I've heard this from a lot of people, that the buyer should "ask more questions"...here's a response from someone else about that: Quote: Originally Posted by LordRahl A seller has the luxury and advantage of having the book in hand. The buyer doesn't. The onus is on the seller to, at minimum, describe flaws that aren't obvious in the pictures. Don't need to assign a grade...not saying that. But, at a minimum, describe pretty major flaws. This is not an unreasonable requirement. And there are a LOT of sellers who just post pics and say "ask questions!" But you can't grade from pics, and you can't ask questions about flaws you don't know are there. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism Thought this was worth quoting... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism Goodness what has this pyramid scheme of a hobby turning into. |
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| Late to the party, but one persons "20 days is nothing" may seem like a long time to someone else. I buy and sell quite a bit, work a full time job, have family responsibilities etc and I've never waited 20 days after a transaction to voice dissatisfaction, that just seems a little lazy to me. The excuses remind me of sellers across the street who can't be bothered to ship books in a timely fashion because they "are busy with life"...they weren't too busy to accept my money for the book they sold me...funny how that works. That being said, not offering refunds on eBay is silly when you consider that eBay will make the seller eat it 99 out of 100 times. I don't get why they even offer that as an option for sellers. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 Well my issue with this is that eBay is supposed to be an auction site right? How many real-life auctions allow returns? You bid on a storage unit or a painting or a car at auction, and there is no return policy. That is part of the risk of bidding on an auction and why auction prices are supposed to be lower than retail. eBay is trying too hard to be like Amazon though, which in the case of an auction site goes against the spirit of an auction. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkga I just play by the rules and they make them. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| @KYoung_1974 On most listings you are lucky if you even get a scan of the back page (which I had to ask for as the listing did not have any) and you wanted me to ask for pictures of the interior of the book? Unless the seller provides pictures of the interior the quality is assumed to be as good as or better than the cover. Otherwise the seller needs to disclose this information. Putting the obligation on the buyer to ask for pictures of each and every page of the book would grind sales on ebay to a halt unless every listing had such pictures (neat trick since each listing is limited to twelve pictures regardless of quantity). |
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| @drchaos gotta ask you - you still plan to go ahead and start selling raw books or dropped the idea? | ||
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkga If ebay did not support the buyer allowing returns of raw books with undisclosed flaws the seller would have gotten less than half of my final bid. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka I have quite a backlog of slabs but still plan to sell raw books one of these days. With that said I will take each one out of the bag and board to inspect it before I list anything. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos I was more coming from - now you see that there is a bit more work involved selling raws than graded |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism smh Damn, this could have been a "torn page, popped staple, writing on interior, missing centerfold" situation. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Oh, I get it. That is why I have not rushed to do so. Speaking of which, everything I got from you arrived safe. While I haven't had time to fully examine each book yet everything seems close enough for government work. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos Well - there were a lot  - cool tks |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka It all evens out, raws also sell for less. Slabs, you have additional time/money invested in the books. Pressing and slabbing takes time.Especially, if you press your own books. I have a roomful of raws laid out on every flat surface. ..hoarder style... that I would/will never sell until they are all pressed and slabbed. I cannot even put the fuc*ers into boxes, without a (justified) fear of incurring spine ticks. That said, unless you are selling sets on eBay....or hot books that you can get $20 for (+ priority shipping cost so you can have your mailman pick them up) than selling raws on eBay seems like it really blows. That is why I don't list that much on eBay. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid I think $233.50 + shipping is more than a fair offer, actually.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Most definitely worth quoting! Seller: Is evidently new to the program, and intentional or not, misrepresented the book. Seller mans-up to responsibility. Learning experience. Buyer: Receives a HOT KEY book, yet waits 20 days to inspect/file complaint, or inspected upon arrival and waits 20 days to file complaint. BULLSHIT! Anybody who receives a NM98 is going to inspect it upon arrival, and within minutes is going to begin spotting major discrepancies,.. followed by a click of the SEND button. Both parties are at fault. PERIOD! |
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@Pre_Coder I did not wait 20 days to inspect the book. After I received it and looked it over I waited a couple weeks before I got around to asking for the return because I thought it might be a pain in the ass (hint - I was right). |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Agreed. Both parties do share some of the blame. But the quote of not knowing if there was a stain makes me side on the nuyers' side, ultimately. Far as not examining the book in 20 days being BS, I do not fully agree with that. I have about 20 unopened eBay auction wins and BIN's, piled up.Good books, too. Hell, I have a NM 98 sitting in a box...Preacher 1...my cherry Blackhawk 133 ...unpressed...it looked like a 8.0-ish copy...for all I know it could be missing a page or have resto...but I doubt it, as the seller was unaware of what he had. However, I am fully aware that if any of the books are less than I bargained for, there is nothing I can do about that as it has been more than a year (on a lot of them) since I bought them. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Jeez, there's inconsiderate all over the hobby  Proud to be the 3rd buyer.Fortunately I can afford to wait 6 months if needed because I don't rely on comics as an income, or as a means to fund my collection. So I guess I'd wait. But I'd probably attempt at least one message to the buyer, asking if all is well. Of course, I'd only be selling dozens or so, not hundreds. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Hope you're right. Masochism was unaware of what he had too. |
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| @drchaos @CopperAgeKids eBay policy gives you 30 days to request a return so 20 days is clearly within those guidelines. The buyer is following policy. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS I have only gotten burnt once on eBay...but yeah, it is a possibility. I know a good deal about buying books, Masochism does not, all due respect to him. The sort of sellers I buy from are almost all non-comic dealers; the sort that has no idea WTF they have in the first place; that's why I buy from those sorts of sellers. They get less views. I've gotten burnt one one restored book I bought off eBay, since the late 90's; happened about 2 years ago. Book was listed by...A comic seller ..lol..with 100% positive feedback...As unrestored in Fine. What looked like a production crease on the FC in the auction listing was a sealed tear. I won't lose money on the book, but won't make money either. It's an easy fix to rub some of the adhesive off, and just unseal/rip the sealed tear...whammo, it is no longer a restored book. |
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