Email Alertscheckbox YTcheckbox Manage Email Alerts

Ebay fun - Just the facts6153

Pages:

COLLECTOR 11.29K	11.29K conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Why I otta............!
	7 years ago	Post 151 • IP flag post

Collector

25.63K

poka private msg quote post Address this user

plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0

Quote:

Originally Posted by conditionfreak

Ha Ha....Wait, What? Did you just call me old?

Quote:

Originally Posted by drchaos
@conditionfreak While his quote implied that you are wise, it seems he did call you old.

No I called you a Father in line with the name of the thread - just the facts

7 years ago

Collector 25.63K	25.63K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@Watcher added you to the list
	7 years ago	Post 153 • IP flag post

Collector 3.72K	3.72K CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by conditionfreak Ha Ha....Wait, What? Did you just call me old? Quote: Originally Posted by drchaos @conditionfreak While his quote implied that you are wise, it seems he did call you old. No I called you a Father in line with the name of the thread - just the facts Just the facts,huh? Are you going on the record with that statement, sir? * This is the only meme I saw under a "LA Confidential just the fact meme" Google search....dunno what is up with that "haz" spelling.Oh well...great movie, anyway.
	7 years ago	Post 154 • IP flag post

Collector 3.72K	3.72K CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	And yeah...btw, I think everyone who regularly posts on this board is relatively "old". I'm in my early 40's. And my body is feeling all of the abuse it took in my 20's and 30's through working and weight lifting injuries, accumulated years ago.
	7 years ago	Post 155 • IP flag post

Collector 25.63K	25.63K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids No I called you a Father in line with the name of the thread - just the facts Just the facts,huh? Are you going on the record with that statement, sir? /quote] At least with that quote
	7 years ago	Post 156 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism The only person who isn't being fair here is you. Your anger is misdirected. If you take what I say and consider it, you'll do better. If you want to focus your anger at me, that's your choice, but it does demonstrate an attitude and a pattern that is the very reason you're in this situation. Good luck.
	7 years ago	Post 157 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids I do not think the seller intentionally misrepresented the book. I see no evidence of that. The seller has a Web site, under the same text as his cbcs and eBay handle. If the seller had intentionally misrepresented the book, he more than likely would not have posted in this thread, bringing negative attention to his name/brand. I see no evidence of that, either. The implication in the quote was that drchaos had intentionally overbid and the representation was that the seller had NOT misrepresented it. That is different than what you're saying here. The evidence we have here is that the seller DID misrepresent the item, but there is no evidence he did so intentionally. These are important, and necessary, distinctions to be made if someone is going to come to a fair and impartial conclusion about the matter.
	7 years ago	Post 158 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Marximus Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by Marximus What I get from this thread is this: I can over-bid for a book. When it arrives, I can take it to a presser or appraiser and see if they agree with me...that I over-bid for the book. When I get around to it, I can then request a refund from seller, who hasn't done anything to misrepresent his product.....and EBay will force the seller to refund me my $$. If I ever behave like the buyer I just described, I'd have to kick my own a$$. Just sayin... That's an unfair assessment of the situation, based on the evidence available. Wait just a minute. I never said that was my assessment of the situation. I simply stated that this is something that 'can' happen. Notice all those 'cans' up there? I don't appreciate anyone putting words in my mouth. It helps to read things as written, not as you wish it was written so you can prove a point, or be argumentative. The fact that something like this can happen is pretty discouraging to the casual seller/collector. If you did not mean what you wrote, then "this is what I get from this thread" does not mean what you think it means. If you weren't referring to drchaos' situation, then why would you say something like "I can over-bid for a book. When it arrives, I can take it to a presser or appraiser and see if they agree with me...that I over-bid for the book"...? Because if it was just things that "could" happen, but aren't related to this specific situation...in other words, NOT your assessment...then you could just as easily have said "I can rip a page out of the book and return it as not as described" or "I can color in the last page and return it as not as described." Come on, now.
	7 years ago	Post 159 • IP flag post

Collector

16.89K

DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user

plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0

Quote:

Originally Posted by poka
Oh - do - I almost have my own hotline. But happy for you to share the policy which requires buyers to provide pictures

Didn't say that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by poka
Forgot to add. eBay feedback policy actually states that if the feedback violates their policy you can contact them to have it removed. But I am sure you were referring to non-violating feedback

Indeed.

7 years ago

Collector 4.79K	4.79K Darkga private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown The evidence we have here is that the seller DID misrepresent the item, but there is no evidence he did so intentionally. These are important, and necessary, distinctions to be made if someone is going to come to a fair and impartial conclusion about the matter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but how did he misrepresent the item when in both of the auctions for the books in question (I'm not sure which one was bought) there are no mentions of the grade or condition? All I see are some pictures, so at that point this is a caveat emptor situation. As long as all the pages are present and the books are not reprints, I'd say the books are represented for what they are: original copies of NM98. https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-New-Mutants-98-Deadpool-print-Signed-by-Jeremy-Clark-/123042604126?hash=item1ca5e9245e%3Ag%3AkkgAAOSwT2NauT2W&nma=true&si=sdgY69IQamwsg2P5PpEjYChVtws%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-New-Mutants-98-Signed-Deadpool-Original-Art-by-Jason-Sobol-/123044848680?hash=item1ca60b6428%3Ag%3AvdIAAOSwE9hauqYJ&nma=true&si=sdgY69IQamwsg2P5PpEjYChVtws%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
	7 years ago	Post 161 • IP flag post

Collector 2.27K	2.27K Cowabunga_Kyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@Darkga for the sake of clarity, he purchased the first of those two links
	7 years ago	Post 162 • IP flag post

Collector 4.79K	4.79K Darkga private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism @Darkga for the sake of clarity, he purchased the first of those two links Did you list a grade or even give him an estimate (like high grade, etc)? If not, there is no way to assume anything (good or bad) beyond what the pictures show, and a person has to bid accordingly.
	7 years ago	Post 163 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Darkga...normally, I would completely agree with you, but in this situation, there are other factors involved: Quote: Originally Posted by drchaos Recently a board member advertised two ebay listings here. Had I come across these listings randomly I would have simply moved on as the seller did not grade the raw books and the pictures provided only included a small view of the front covers. After taking the opportunity to ask the seller for better pictures of the front and back of each books here I bid on and won what I considered the better of the two books. Once I received the book I saw that it had more flaws than I could see in the pictures and that it was not worth as much as I had paid for it. First I sent the seller a PM here letting him know I wanted to return the book. After 24 hours with no response I requested a return on ebay for an item not as described. This isn't a straightforward "didn't describe it at all" eBay situation. The buyer asked for better pictures. At that time, the seller should have said "oh, and it's got a stain on the cover." Had the seller disclosed what the buyer couldn't see, we wouldn't be in this situation. It's a lesson for the seller, if he can look past his emotion and consider what's being said.
	7 years ago	Post 164 • IP flag post

Collector 2.27K	2.27K Cowabunga_Kyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@Darkga absolutely not, I am not qualified to give grades so I wouldn't ever dare.
	7 years ago	Post 165 • IP flag post

Collector 3.04K	3.04K moodswing private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Late to the party but I feel 20 days is too long to wait for a refund. I instantly bitch about condition the day I get a raw comic if it isn't described properly. With that said, can't the seller just have the buyer send it back under their dime? If there are major problems not addressed is one thing but if adequate scans were provided and no grade was given, I am not sure what the buyer was expecting. I would just have the buyer send it back and have them pay for shipping.
	7 years ago	Post 166 • IP flag post

Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock 7.34K	7.34K Tedsaid private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	Quote: Originally Posted by drchaos @KYoung_1974 Sure, blame the victim. Oh, dude, you are NOT the victim here. Filed a claim in just one day? After your 20? That's not cool, man. Not cool at all. If eBay forces a refund, eBay is wrong. It's bad for all of us, who buy raw books on eBay. Because MOST of us understand: you look at the pictures and you take a chance. If you want more pictures, you ask for them. Get them bigger, get then clearer, ask for inside and out. But buying a comic and then saying, "Oh, gee, I thought it'd be in better condition, I want my money back?" That is NOT the way it should work. If eBay lets this stand, and this is their new policy, then we will all have to bid higher for the comics we used to take a chance on. (And would KEEP, even if we guessed wrong.) Because some asshat out there is thinking they can ride the system and bid whatever they want, and if the comic isn't perfect they just make a b.s. claim of "not as described" and get their money back. Most people don't do that, because it's a jerk move. But you always have a few that abuse the system. The one thing we DON'T need on eBay is even more entitled buyers. Masochism was a little hot under the collar, and jumped to conclusions a little too quick, I think. But DocChaos, you are SO in the wrong here. Just one day? I can't believe you'd do that, especially after waiting 20 to kick. And man, YOU SAW THE PICTURES. What the hell is wrong with you? "Not as described" in this case is a flat-out lie. Maybe eBay sided with you, DocChaos, but that doesn't change the facts: you were wrong to do what you did.
	7 years ago	Post 167 • IP flag post

Collector 741	741 KYoung_1974 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by KYoung_1974 Wait! Wait! Wait! You waited 20 days to look over the merch and then sent a message you weren't happy. And when the seller didn't respond in less than ONE day, you opened up a claim and posted here. Did I read that correctly? Would it have been fair, in your view, if the buyer had waited 20 days for a response from the seller? Again: buyers and sellers are NOT in equitable positions. To counter your statement above: the seller responded HERE...even though it was completely anonymous....within MINUTES of the OP. The seller sure found time to respond pretty fast here, right...? I am neither buyer nor seller in this instance and can point out the irony as I see fit, sir. And I do see irony in the fact that the buyer waited 20 days to even look at the merchandise, but wanted a response immediately. The irrationality of that is staggering. And please spare me another lecture on customer service. I've been in business for a long time. While the customer may always be right, that doesn't mean their antics can't or shouldn't be called out. As to it being fair to wait 20 days to respond to the buyer/OP, I did not say that. But it should have been longer than a day. As to your point about the seller responding within minutes of the post, I would assume that the case with eBay had already been opened and the seller notified and may have been on the look out for a post on here. I'm glad this has been resolved and we can all still be friends.
	7 years ago	Post 168 • IP flag post

Collector 4.79K	4.79K Darkga private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism @Darkga absolutely not, I am not qualified to give grades so I wouldn't ever dare. So while I can understand him being unhappy with the condition of the comic after receiving it, I can't understand why he would expect much more (or much less) than what he saw in the pictures. You roll the dice, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I have bought a $200 raw that turned into a $3,000 9.8 White pages highest graded comic. I have also bought a $300 raw that turned into a $200 graded book. Should I have returned the 9.8 because it was in better condition than I expected? Should I have returned the $200 graded because it did not grade as high as I liked? I just average it all out, and try to stay ahead of the game.
	7 years ago	Post 169 • IP flag post

Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock 7.34K	7.34K Tedsaid private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth Quote: Originally Posted by drchaos @GanaSoth I appreciate that you were trying to help but I would advise others not to follow your suggestion. Yeah I agree... I and everyone else here in my City has a personal vendetta against our local Post Office, so I was just looking at it from my view point I suppose. Guess it was bad advice. But I didn't see any other advice pouring in that would help both you guys. So I just tossed it out there. Holy crap. Did someone on the Internet just change their mind? Class act, GanaSoth.
	7 years ago	Post 170 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Just because a person can't and doesn't grade, does not absolve him of all responsibility for the condition of an item. My mom knows nothing about grading, but she would know enough to see that there's a stain on the cover and note it.
	7 years ago	Post 171 • IP flag post

Collector 2.27K	2.27K Cowabunga_Kyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Just because a person can't and doesn't grade, does not absolve him of all responsibility for the condition of an item. My mom knows nothing about grading, but she would know enough to see that there's a stain on the cover and note it. Is anyone else even listening to these ridiculous ramblings? Haha wow what a wack-a-doo
	7 years ago	Post 172 • IP flag post

Collector 741	741 KYoung_1974 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Darkga...normally, I would completely agree with you, but in this situation, there are other factors involved: Quote: Originally Posted by drchaos Recently a board member advertised two ebay listings here. Had I come across these listings randomly I would have simply moved on as the seller did not grade the raw books and the pictures provided only included a small view of the front covers. After taking the opportunity to ask the seller for better pictures of the front and back of each books here I bid on and won what I considered the better of the two books. Once I received the book I saw that it had more flaws than I could see in the pictures and that it was not worth as much as I had paid for it. First I sent the seller a PM here letting him know I wanted to return the book. After 24 hours with no response I requested a return on ebay for an item not as described. This isn't a straightforward "didn't describe it at all" eBay situation. The buyer asked for better pictures. At that time, the seller should have said "oh, and it's got a stain on the cover." Had the seller disclosed what the buyer couldn't see, we wouldn't be in this situation. It's a lesson for the seller, if he can look past his emotion and consider what's being said. Why didn't the seller ask for a scan of the splash page or the condition of the interior of the book? The point being the seller could have been more informative. The OP did some due diligence, but could have also asked more questions. They are both responsible for this mess of a thread.
	7 years ago	Post 173 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Just because a person can't and doesn't grade, does not absolve him of all responsibility for the condition of an item. My mom knows nothing about grading, but she would know enough to see that there's a stain on the cover and note it. Is anyone else even listening to these ridiculous ramblings? Haha wow what a wack-a-doo If you can't have a conversation without getting emotional and taking personal shots at other people, the problem is you. You are proving the point.
	7 years ago	Post 174 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by KYoung_1974 Why didn't the seller ask for a scan of the splash page or the condition of the interior of the book? The point being the seller could have been more informative. The OP did some due diligence, but could have also asked more questions. They are both responsible for this mess of a thread. How would a buyer know what to ask for? We discussed this on the CGC board yesterday: you cannot grade books by pictures. You have to have the book in hand. The seller has an obligation to disclose flaws that are obvious when the book is in hand. The obligation to disclose condition...whether they assign a grade or not...is always on the seller. Is there wiggle room? Sure, of course. A seller isn't required to disclose every possible flaw...but a stain is an obvious one, and should be disclosed.
	7 years ago	Post 175 • IP flag post

Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock 7.34K	7.34K Tedsaid private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 8
	You know what? I'm still pissed about the one-day thing, and the general unfairness of the whole situation. If you bid without asking for a picture of what you can't see, then it's on you for not seeing it. At least, that's my opinion. And that's how I behave, buying on eBay. So I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. @Masochism, if you still want to sell, then I'll buy it for the exact price you got cheated out of: $233.50, plus $4 shipping. (At least, that's what it shows on mine. Maybe the shipping is based on distance?) I bid on this book, looking for a steal and didn't get it. So $237.50 is more than I would generally pay, but why the hell not? It's definitely worth it. And that print, whoever did it, is kick-ass. (I don't know that artist, but I know what is good, and that one is damn good.) If you want to take the BIN advice someone else gave and sell it for more than that, it's totally cool with me. This is just an offer I want to make. I'll even use PayPal Friends and Family, so you'll know I won't ask for it back later. (Unless you want to use the business thing ... I think it protects both of us, but I don't use it enough to know the details.) Anyway, you'll get eBay's 10% too, which serves them right, I reckon. Just PM me if you are interested. No hurry, feel free to sleep on it.
	7 years ago	Post 176 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid I'll even use PayPal Friends and Family, Paypal friends and family is not for purchasing merchandise. Paypal provides a service; they deserve to be paid for that service. Using a service and not paying for it is stealing. But, then, you all knew I was going to say this. If it matters that much, send a check or money order. Seller waits until it clears, same end result, no stealing from Paypal.
	7 years ago	Post 177 • IP flag post

Collector 2.27K	2.27K Cowabunga_Kyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@DocBrown LMFAO We agree here actually. 100%
	7 years ago	Post 178 • IP flag post

Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock 7.34K	7.34K Tedsaid private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism @DocBrown LMFAO We agree here actually. 100% Hey, we're all friends here, right? Amirite? lol ... no, I get you. I actually do this, DocBrown, only use friends and family when I am literally sending money to a friend.
	7 years ago	Post 179 • IP flag post

Collector 741	741 KYoung_1974 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by KYoung_1974 Why didn't the seller ask for a scan of the splash page or the condition of the interior of the book? The point being the seller could have been more informative. The OP did some due diligence, but could have also asked more questions. They are both responsible for this mess of a thread. How would a buyer know what to ask for? We discussed this on the CGC board yesterday: you cannot grade books by pictures. You have to have the book in hand. The seller has an obligation to disclose flaws that are obvious when the book is in hand. The obligation to disclose condition...whether they assign a grade or not...is always on the seller. Is there wiggle room? Sure, of course. A seller isn't required to disclose every possible flaw...but a stain is an obvious one, and should be disclosed. Wouldn't know what to ask for? umm, "Hey you don't have any pictures or scans, how's the inside of the book?" At some point, the buyer entering the transaction of his own free will, has to take some of the responsibility for himself. He asked for scans instead of the pictures of the post, so he had questions. Again Caveat Emptor. And I don't disagree that if Masochism knew about the stain it should have been disclosed.
	7 years ago	Post 180 • IP flag post

638579 265 30

« Forum Home

Pages:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11

Thread locked. No more posts permitted. Return home.