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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism I didn't even mention you by name when I shared my experience here. You chose to participate in this thread. I will leave it for those reading this thread to draw their own conclusions. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos This is also true. You weren't "called out", Masochism; you chose to respond. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I can agree with that, as long as the issue is in fact not as described. Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Yet it should be on the buyer to show within reason why the item is not as described. Anyone with buyers remorse or any other reason for wanting a return can arbitrarily claim item not as described. @drchaos May very well be in the right; but we have seen zero evidence. |
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| @DocBrown of course I chose to respond, because I feel like I am the one being wronged here. According to your thinking I should wait out the 180 day window after selling a raw book on eBay before I use those funds. That is so cartoonishly silly that I can barely believe I read it right. I am confident that my listing was legit, and even the buyer himself admits it was the book in the listing and it was packaged well and arrived in a timely fashion. Those scans were 300 dpi and saying you couldn't see the condition of the books by viewing them is laughable. Opening a case with no photos showing contrary condition it feels like he's trying to take me for a ride. I shouldn't be held responsible for his buyer's remorse. |
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| Anybody taking bets on when this thread gets locked? | ||
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism Wow! Just wow! |
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| Take my advice and NEVER sell high dollar (above $100) raws on eBay. It's not worth the hassle. In fact Comiclink is looking nicer and nicer for selling slabs too... | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism Yeah, I agree. From what I have read and seen on this thread, the scans were pretty big. If the buyer wants to show scans to counter the originals, that would help with the buyers claims as to why he believes the comic wasn't as described. On the other hand, if the seller receives the comic book back in hand from the buyer and it is damaged or in worse condition than when the seller sent the item to the buyer, then the seller can open a counter-claim with eBay and get the amount the seller bought it for from eBay. Providing pictures of course. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos Plz show us the scans pm’d presale and pics post sale of the defects not shown on scans Good evidence could end this issue with reputations intact and a salvaged relationship between the two of you. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer This sounds like a fantastic solution. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| Anyone with buyers remorse or any other reason for wanting a return can arbitrarily claim item not as described. @drchaos May very well be in the right; but we have seen zero evidence. ---++quote---- I have bought many raw books on this forum from multiple sellers and this is the first time I have returned any of them. I am not happy with the condition of the NM 98 and wish to return it to the seller for a refund. If anyone has a problem with that then so be it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism Unless the comic gets "accidently" more damaged then what your original scans shown, BUT WAIT... You have the message from him stating the following: Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism So it wasn't damaged in the mail... So lets compare the scans.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer That is not correct. The buyer doesn't need to justify his dissatisfaction; he only needs to express it. Yes, it would be nice if the buyer explained why he was dissatisfied: absolutely. But ultimately, it's the buyer's money, and if the buyer says it's not as described, that's where the scale does...and should...tip. Yes, there are scumbag buyers. That's the risk you take when selling. It's the way it goes, and has to be figured as a cost of doing business. The alternative...to say "no returns for any reason"...is what got us into the situation we are in now. It encourages sellers to lie about the condition of their items for more money, and then hide behind a "no returns" policy. I'm not suggesting that's the case here...but, the attitude of the seller after the fact leads me to believe that's probably more likely the case than not. Are there buyers who try to game the system? Of course. But to penalize every buyer for the bad actions of a few isn't sound business policy, as frustrating as it might be to deal with. And...if it's any consolation, "buyers remorse" really is quite rare in collectibles. Unless someone got caught in an emotional bidding war...and that doesn't seem to be the case here...most collectibles buyers will deal with something that's accurately described. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Squack There's no need for this thread to be locked. We're all capable of having a discussion as adults, are we not? |
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| Seller never claimed the books were a specific grade. In fact, no grade was given. Large scans were provided, for a prospective buyer's inspection. What else is a guy to do? If I were the seller, I'd just take the return, refund the $, and let karma do its thing. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism You're missing the point: you weren't identified. There is nothing in the OPs posts that gives you away. If you had not responded, based on the posts by the OP, no one else would have known it was you. You could have remained completely anonymous, but YOU chose not to be. Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism I agree, it would be cartoonishly silly to suggest something like that, which is why I didn't suggest anything of the sort. I didn't say anything about "waiting out the 180 day window." I said what you do or did with the money is none of the buyer's concern, and shouldn't be a factor in any of this. What you SHOULD do is wait until the customer is satisfied. If time is of the essence to you, you should note that in your listings...something like "if there are any concerns, PLEASE contact me within X days of receiving the item, and I will address them." Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism The buyer "admitting it was the book in the listing" is hardly a point in your favor. That shouldn't even need to be said. Quote: Originally Posted by Masochism Again...that is your opinion, and as the seller, your opinion doesn't count. You don't sound like someone interested in stellar customer service, but rather, someone trying to "get one over" on a buyer. While I cannot vouch for drchaos, I can certainly say that I have no reason to suspect that...especially in this environment...he'd expose himself to shame and ridicule by making an issue out of a situation that wasn't as he claimed it to be. His claim might not be FAIR...I don't know...but I am reasonably assured that it's not disingenuous, either. It would do severe damage to his reputation if he was found out to be "trying to take you for a ride." |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Marximus There you go. Block the bidder, and move on with life. |
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| You cannot accurately grade a comic book from pictures. That can only be done with the comic book in hand. | ||
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| In 10 years I have had 3 problems with buyers that were not in my favor at all each time. I’ll take my odds buying and selling high dollar raw books. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown This is where we differ in opinion. If someone tells me something is “not as described”, I’m going to ask (and expect an answer) HOW?, every time. Such is life; make a claim and back it up. Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Of course, we agree there. If someone tells me a book is structurally weak, or shows a spine tic that wasnt on the picture, or a blunted corner not in scans, etc I’m going to be very reasonable with a refund. But I do expect some kind of an answer; not just an arbitrary “I am not happy with the condition”. There needs to be an actual reason presented. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I love how on one hand you hold that I should let a buyer window shop and pay for the shipping for them to decide if they're happy with their item, and on the other you keep saying that I'm trying to "get one over" on someone. Starting to feel like you might be the OPs second account cause you sound like a shill if ever I've met one. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism Not questioning that part. Aside from medical issues, anything optional keeping the buyer from communicating (vacation, convention travels, pillars of unopened packages), or outside of the seller's concern (business travels) is on the buyer. |
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| @Masochism DocB is def not a shill of Doc Chaos 🤣 | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer They just both happen to be Doctors. Ha ha Like Doc Ock and Dr Doom. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer That is true in debate. That is not true in transactions. "The customer is always right"...even when they're wrong. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| 20 days really is just a blink of the eye. Between the tax deadline, comic shows, keeping up with my buyers, and roughly 800 books received from CBCS let's just say I had a busy month. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Masochism You're continuing to demonstrate how you're not someone who is interested in stellar customer service. You make emotional arguments, rather than reasoned ones, you make false equivalencies, and lash out at those who challenge you. I didn't say you're "trying to get one over on someone." I said you SOUND like it. Your ATTITUDE makes it look like you are. Whether you are are not is between you and drchaos. I am most certainly not drchaos, but what would it matter if I was? Is there substance to what I'm saying, or isn't there? That's all that matters. As a seller, impressions are everything. You're not making a good one. Will you see that? We'll see. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Posted in jest, of course, but it seems that both sides of the argument here are looking for justification of their actions, with some backing the seller and some supporting the buyer. Your response is indicative of the point that is being missed by the buyer @DocBrown, he did not justify the difference in the item as being described incorrectly. The point missed by the seller, is simply this: It doesn't matter why. Nothing you can do at this point can save the sale |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown This  Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Yep. I would suggest @drchaos and @Masochism let ebay decide if its not as described. They do require evidence and reason, last I went through it with someone. |
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 Why just the women? I like bears.
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| Holy cow! You got 800 books back in one month? That's like Xmas coming everyday. | ||
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