Graded 9.6 with no graders notes. Why?5943
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dfarrarjr private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So does anyone have an idea as to why this happens? IMO if there is nothing to comment on then why is the book a 9.6 and not a 9.8? This isnt only a CBCS issue either. Seems to be other graders that do the same in my investigation of this. Interested in your Thoughts? Thanks |
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| Yeah it would be good to know why the grade was lowered if nothing is found in the graders notes. | ||
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| Same argument can be made for a 9.8...Even a 9.8 should have something noted as to why it's not a 10.0, IMO. But yes, never heard of this for a 9.6...are we getting lazy or is the backlog forcing companies to cut corners? |
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| Graders' notes are usually not present on copper and modern 9.6-9.8's IME,from both CBCS and CGC. Graders' notes are usually present (the purpose of graders' notes on 9.6/9.8's's IMO) is to identify a flaw (s) that is not readily apparent when viewing a book that is slabbed at 9.6 or 9.8. The majority of moderns that are graded by both companies , tend to grade out in the 9.2 to 9.8 range. The overwhelming majority of books that are subbed to both companies are moderns. Moreso, 9.6's,9.8's ..because a lot of moderns are pre screened and/or pressed. Taking notes on such a high volume of books (9.6 and 9.8) would slow down TAT significantly, for both CBCS and CGC. Most people want moderns graded ASAP, because they want to flip them before they drop in price....As moderns often do. CBCS and CGC know this and both companies have to compete with one another on TAT times. Getting books graded ASAP...this is crucial for the majority of consumers/flippers/dealers who sub moderns to both companies. CBCS and CGC cannot add notes on most 9.6's...let alone 9.8's...that would be letting down (disappointing and costly) the majority of their modern submitters down, to remain competitive. In simple terms, CBCS and CGC are servicing the nerds of their customers by not typically including graders' notes on 9.6/9.8 slabs. On moderns like 9.0 slabs, I have received pretty extensive notes. I hardly ever get them on 9.6-9.8's. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Drogio Dude...... That would be not only impractical, but virtually impossible. CBCS and CGC are not in the "what if?" Business. IOW...what if this 9.8 did not have "insert xxxxxx here" ....multiplied by another half dozen "insert xxxx grading note here" on barely perceptible defects. That business model would never survive. They grade books on the individual merit of each book. |
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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| I've come to have mixed feelings about grader's notes. Especially on NM or better books. I've seen a number of times and experienced personally once where a CBCS graded 9.8 - with graders notes - sold for about 10% less than a CGC 9.8 with no graders notes literally one minute apart at the same auction. CGC almost never has graders notes for 9.8 and it is not uncommon for 9.4 and 9.6 books to not have graders notes. CBCS (at least used to) nearly always have graders notes on those grades. So prospective buyers are looking at two identical 9.8's. The CGC has no graders notes. The CBCS lists several tiny flaws. The prospective buyers say "look at those defects, the CBCS must not be as nice". So my feeling is be careful what you ask for. I personally am fine with graders notes only listing things I probably can't see for myself. Stains not visible except by opening the book, light creases or bends that are going to disappear to the naked eye once slabbed, defects in the interior. Graders notes also take time. Everyone wants faster Turn Around Times. |
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| Anyone remember Vault Comics Grading where they’d obstensibly provide comprehensive grader’s notes if you paid an additional $50 fee? | ||
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CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user | |
I reQuote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite I remember that company, but I never heard of them asking for a $50 fee for graders' notes. I have to wonder why they would even be that ballsy. Market confidence in all companies besides CBCS and CGC has always been low, and with excellent reason. |
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| @CopperAgeKids looks like I was mistaken, they were asking $55 for grader’s notes and $40 to press a book, at least according to myself 2 years ago when they still had a web presence. Certainly most if not all they said to try legitimize their company (what little they actually revealed) was baseless propagandizing but the angle they tried to sell was that they were more akin to some high-end art gallery with lots of high-priced clients, contacts, partnerships, and hobby community presence, despite no one ever having heard of them. |
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CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @dielinfinite I did a Google search and found Vault ' website. I was surprised they were even in "business". However, clicking on Vault's redirected page link on Facebook, instantly redirected my browser to a "survey" of some sort; asking my age and gender. That is sketchy AF. Don't click on any Vault links. Hell, I'm going to log off here right now and close this browser window. |
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| I've checked grades notes on plenty of cbcs 9.6 and 9.8 for sale in eBay..don't think I've come across one worth no notes to be honest. I'd be quite annoyed if there were no notes provided for a comic I had graded at cbcs, as the promise of openly available grading notes and their nicer slab designs are the two main things that really make me consider using them when I finally decide to slab books in my collection |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Every slab in my collection has notes. You have a vastly fifferent experience than I. Quote: Originally Posted by dfarrarjr It could be just that the invoice is not completed, living in purgatory (solved with a quick email). Are you able to sucessfully search and find the overall notations page for your book? |
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| Regarding the grader’s notes for the last batch of comics I received back from CBCS, the majority of 9.8’s had no notes. However, every book that received a 9.6 or lower had grader’s notes. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wraith I should have noted that the last book I subbed to CBCS myself (not thru Comic Link or Comic Connect) had extensive notes. It was a Blackhawk 133 CBCS 3.5...silver book, not relevant to the topic of 9.6 notes on moderns. Previous to that, the submissions of moderns I made to CBCS invariably did have notes on the 9.6's and possibly 9.8's. It's been so long that I can't remember offhand but I can log into my CBCS account to access the notes on copper modern 9.6's that I received. I have not subbed any books under my own account at CBCS or under my own account since Winter Con NY in 12/2016. I had planned on getting at least a 100 books pressed before Big Apple but since I will not have a partner with me at the show, and processing convention and wall book stock takes precedence when a booth, hotel and vehicle tental runs close to 2 grand. Just gonna end up selling a lot of raw 9.6 and raw 9.8's at my booth. |
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