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Collector BabaLament private msg quote post Address this user
Hi all!

I have a question about signature verification, based on how people sign and its changes over time.

The guy who has probably signed more books than anyone is Stan Lee. His early signature is a lot more legible than books he's signing currently. I'm not knocking the guy at all; if I make it to ninety five years old, I bet my signature is going to look like a squiggle. With the number of signatures there are to compare, it's got to be fairly easy to look at one and go "yep, that's Stan."

Todd McFarlane is another example of a changing sig. Sometimes its Todd McFarlane, sometimes its T. McFarlane, in tight spots it can be T.MFarlane; the only consistency with the guy is that he gives the T, F, and E a really long tail. However, because of the volume of signatures, the variables seem to have lots of examples of how he does it.

What about guys who don't sign a lot, and have very different signatures over the decades? Mark Bagley used to sign his full name w/ kind of a cursive look to it; nowadays its a diagonal "Bagley". Is there some kind of professional master index for signature verification?

Just wondering after watching a few episodes of Pawn Stars.
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Collector bigjer private msg quote post Address this user
Steve Ditko comes to mind. Rare signature, very few modern comparable ones.
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
Back when CSA did the signature verification you could contact them via facebook and pick their brain. I had to contact them about a Michael Turner signature. There’s a common signature he used often at conventions




But earlier in his career, Turner used a very different signature on pre-signed books




They were at least able to tell me if they had a comparable signature to verify against. With Beckett doing the verification now, I’m not sure how conprehensive their database is
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Collector Watcher private msg quote post Address this user
And even though this is very similar to Turner's top sig above, it is very different in 3 or 4 places even to the naked eye.
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Collector bigjer private msg quote post Address this user
great points, very informative, thanks for posting
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
I dont have examples with me but Mike Migolas has changed from early years to current
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Collector DavidM private msg quote post Address this user
I had Bagley sign my ASM 361 and New Warriors 1 in 99 at a NY con. He signed them as “Bags”.

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Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user
This is an interview that I did for the CBCS Comic Collectors Club newsletter back in December of 2014. I interviewed Mark Roman, who helped create CSA. Towards the end of the article there is information about how they authenticated signatures and the database they used. I would tend to think that Beckett has access to the same or equivalent databases that CSA used. And obviously, Mark's role with CBCS has changed.








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Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user
Oh, and I do remember Mark saying that signatures change over time. Either on purpose or just naturally, signatures change. That's where the database is so important. They can get examples from different years of one person's signature.
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Collector doog private msg quote post Address this user
I sent in 4 Stan Lee’s to Cbcs awhile back. 3 were verified, 1 not. I’d show it but I sold the unverified. Looked legit to me, but we all know where there is money, there are creeps. I was happy with the result anyway
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Collector X51 private msg quote post Address this user
If someone sits down to sign a hundred books, the last ten won't look like the first ten. That's one reason people want a low number if something is signed and numbered.
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Collector BabaLament private msg quote post Address this user
@X51 Low numbers = better. Good to know.

@DavidM Yessir! I have an ASM #361 w/ his full signature; "Bags" is a new one. His current signature is a slanted Bagley w/ the "E" nothing more than a trio of dots. Points for originality I suppose.

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Collector X51 private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by BabaLament
@X51 Low numbers = better. Good to know.


It's possible to number them in a different order than they are signed, but most people aren't going to do that. Sign your name a hundred times in a row and see what your wrist feels like. It'll probably be close to numb and you'll be rushing to get it over with towards the end. There will be little artistic flow by the end. Just a scribble.
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