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Bigger dealer better grade?5691

Collector VCBE private msg quote post Address this user
I was very lucky and got 6 Iron Mans along with 5 of each 2-10 from a person who worked at Printing for Marvel Comics back in the day. He never even opened any of the books and have they been in any light what so ever and have never even been separated from each other. I have sent a couple in and they are identical from each other. I sent (CGC) 1 through Pedigree Comics came back a 9.6 sent another through Comic Link came back 9.4 so I decided to send another through just me and it came back an 8.0??? and is IDENTICAL to the others. I sent is a Crappy Iron Man #1 I had just 2 weeks ago and it came back 8.5??? I also just sent one of the High-Grade group to CBCS and it came back 9.0 I'm just wondering if I should take them out and send them through Pedigree and Comic Link?
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
What do the grader's notes say?
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Collector Hanginglimbs private msg quote post Address this user
Honestly, I don't even know how they determine grades anymore. I had a dark nights metal #1 signed and submitted come back at 7.5. book was obviously not a 9.8, but certainly not a 7.5 (notes mentioned surface wear).
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Collector MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user
There is no surface wear?
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
@VCBE I don’t really see a scenario in which CBCS or CGC does this. PGX, it’s more up their alley.

There is a big difference between 8.0, 9.4, 9.6; clearly not identical. Check the grader notes for help if you cannot see it

Better yet, post pics of the slabs and/or serial numbers so we can see the details for ourselves
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Collector VCBE private msg quote post Address this user
The book is next to flawless I was expecting a 9.6 as I have plenty of my personal Silver aged that I have had graded are 9.6 - 9.4... There is NOT 1 spine bend or on any side and the corners are like new... We will see when I send the SAME book through Pedigree and let's see what it gets... I have always thought they were corrupt and we will see and then I write about it...
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COLLECTOR drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
IBTL
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
Pics/serial numbers or it didnt happen
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Collector doog private msg quote post Address this user
There is a bit of a crapshoot always, the science is quite subjective. Still, it seems to average out pretty good.
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Collector VCBE private msg quote post Address this user
Oh I know I have some book that are Crappy that have an 8.5 I have sent books in HOPING to get an 8.5 and have come back at 9.4. I have a book that has over 10 spine bends with color breaks in ALL 10 and it's a 9.0. I know is subjective but it shouldn't be as they GUARANTEE that Grade if it's a GUARANTEE there should NOTHING subjective about it. I'm just thinking this PROFESSIONAL Grading isn't so professional...
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
What do the grader's notes say?
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COLLECTOR conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user
I am always suspicious about first time posters who denigrate grading companies and do not provide pictures.

Present evidence of your claim of favoritism to bigger companies versus us little guys.

Really pretty simple.
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
There has always been a theory that it sent through a dealer rather than as a private person you would get better grade. But I am not aware that it has yet been proven.
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Collector CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by poka
There has always been a theory that it sent through a dealer rather than as a private person you would get better grade. But I am not aware that it has yet been proven.


Graders (at both CBCS and CGC) do not see the submitter's name so that negates any potential for favoritism off the bat.

This is a precaution that both CGC and CBCS have put in place, from the start.

The OP is flat out wrong.
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Collector CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user
VCBE, post up pics/scans of the book (s) you took, before subbing them.
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by poka
There has always been a theory that it sent through a dealer rather than as a private person you would get better grade. But I am not aware that it has yet been proven.


Graders (at both CBCS and CGC) do not see the submitter's name so that negates any potential for favoritism off the bat.

This is a precaution that both CGC and CBCS have put in place, from the start.

The OP is flat out wrong.


I am not saying that it is happening but there are several ways around this other than seeing a name if it really happend. And I don’t believe it is happening. Just some submissions where you are really shaking your head while others you are jumping up and down. Believe it is the human factor of the grader which is the culprit
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Collector Watcher private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by poka
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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by poka
There has always been a theory that it sent through a dealer rather than as a private person you would get better grade. But I am not aware that it has yet been proven.


Graders (at both CBCS and CGC) do not see the submitter's name so that negates any potential for favoritism off the bat.

This is a precaution that both CGC and CBCS have put in place, from the start.

The OP is flat out wrong.


I am not saying that it is happening but there are several ways around this other than seeing a name if it really happend. And I don’t believe it is happening. Just some submissions where you are really shaking your head while others you are jumping up and down. Believe it is the human factor of the grader which is the factor


Which is why I've always said "grade my books at 4pm Friday not 9am Monday"
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
@Watcher 🤣 need to remember that
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
Actually come to think about it. I might be in luck. My DD#1 got graded last Friday 😆
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Collector Drogio private msg quote post Address this user
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I am always suspicious about first time posters who denigrate grading companies and do not provide pictures.

Present evidence of your claim of favoritism to bigger companies versus us little guys.

Really pretty simple.
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VCBE, post up pics/scans of the book (s) you took, before subbing them.


Agreed everyone should stop reponding to this person's thread until there is actual evidence to support the accusations.

This really Sounds of someone who doesn't understand grading And hasn't read the graders notes to even know what they're talking about. Spine damage and cover wear isn't the only thing they use to determine a grade.
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
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Agreed everyone should stop reponding to this person's thread until there is actual evidence to support the accusations.



Yet you responded - lol
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Collector VCBE private msg quote post Address this user
I'm always suspicious of people saying first time posters when they're not first time posters
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
I think we have a new candidate for the suspension thread. 😂

iBTL
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