"Hilltop Pedigree" on eBay...LOLZ.5554
 PEDIGREED... Again!
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Thank you. Marty |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JustABitEvil LOL...DARN IT!! :o) Yeah, some of that stuff if very cool and has good writing and art. |
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| Would you all feel better if he called it a collection as opposed to a pedigree? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 I've always wondered, who determines what is it is not a "pedigree"? The reason why I ask this, is because I have many books I bought and stuffed into bags for nice keeping....just like many others have done also!!.... Does the 'collection' require them all to be golden and silver age, and no copper? Or only those to have been purchase by one owner from a certain store or newsstand during the golden or silver age or even copper? Who decides what... and what does it really matter? You are buying a book. Provenance is not really established at all.....as it is 28th all other things, Why are double standards trying to be employed into the hobby? Shoot...I would buy a piece of original art of a key figure, by the original artist, before I buy a supposed pedigree book from a collection that some other person decided it was such. IMO - We need to control the BS that is trying to be inputted into the hobby by newcomers. #ComicCommunityUnite :o) |
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 I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks Agreed! But I feel it is more imparative to control the BS inputted by shady scamming sellers who know better, and their objective is to take advantage of newcomers and uneducated collectors. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks Here are the more generally accepted criteria for being considered a pedigree I feel pedigrees are like other niches in comic collecting, like signatures or newstands; you're either into them and thus might be willing to pay more for one, or you're not and you're left wondering what all the fuss is about |
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| Oh yeah PC. Hopefully, new comers and old timers can use honesty and clarity to thwart those types of folks. We really cannot sit back and watch our hobby go to shite. I like the hobby and when words like "pedigree" pop up, well....it sounds like people trying to find a loop hole in a secure system. Double standards are an issue we need to be vigilant with seeing....oh yeah....and extra zeros too...*smiles*.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite From the link... A few collections have been marketed as pedigrees without being CGC'd, which in terms of market acceptance have produced mixed results. ******* Prior to CGC's opening in 2000, market acceptance was the true test of a pedigree's mettle, especially during the pedigree boom of the '90s. Once people realized that a pedigree designation gave a seller the option to price comics at multiples of guide value, the concept was used with increased frequency. Even though several great collections surfaced during this time, many did not warrant a pedigree. The market realized this, and the designations and guide multiples of the undeserving faded over time. Since then, CGC and the high grade market have become inextricably intertwined, and almost every new collection of merit passes through their doors before being sold. It is at this point a pedigree designation is decided upon by CGC. Even though the collecting community at large usually agrees with CGC's decisions regarding pedigree assessment, explicit qualifications (quality and completeness in particular) should be established to allow a concurrence between CGC and the market. ****** Clearly, there is a disconnect within the hobby. Who puts CGC in charge? The plots thickens, huh? |
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| Always always always, follow the money. I happen to like pedigrees and I always give preference to a same grade book that is from a pedigree collection. Just a personal preference, and we all have those. But here is the key. Pedigrees do nothing to the book to change it or harm it. You can ignore a pedigree status with no ill effects whatsoever, if you do not like them. And who cares if the professional grading companies recognize it or not? Like I said in the thread of Marty Mann's collection. I recognize his OO books as a pedigree, regardless of what CGC or CBCS says or doesn't say about it. Pedigree to me means the same as the pedigree of a dog. The history and ownership of the dog, which includes its ancestry. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak Amen,.. same here! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak Well since Marty deserves a pedigree and his collection is rightfully "The Park Avenue Collection" I'll just name my pedigree "The Old Dirt Road Pile"  |
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| Would you all feel better if he had called it a pedigree quality original owner collection? I have bought several such comics from well respected national dealers and was very pleased with the books. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak Thank you for your kind remarks! Marty |
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| I have personally purchased books from the Hilltop Pedigree collection. Not because they are pedigree but because they are generally high grade key issues being sold. I have however been sent lower graded books with the Hilltop certificate stating it is a higher grade. My concern is there is no direct connection between the certificate and the actual book being sent. Lesson learned is to scrutinize the photos on any auction and don't bite on the NM or 9.4 label a seller stipulates. Nuff said. | ||
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| @martymann was denied pedigree by CBCS if I recall correctly. If Marty put his books on ebay with his own made up certificate, I dont think anyone who knows his collection would have reason to complain; rather the contrary! Just some food for thought. The grading companies are not the gods of who decides if a collection is worthy of note. Edit: just noticed the second page of the thread @conditionfreak beat me to the point  |
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| gonna call my pedigree: The "never saved a dime and neglected his family to spend all his money on comics and gambling " pedigree |
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| The āgreen riverā is an example of the elements of a pedigree. A red date stamp on the entire collection, theft from dadās store to build it. One of the brothers accused of being the Green River killer, sold off after last owners death by a lawyer. That should be minimum requirements! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Thank you...have to develop a "Certificate" one of these days. Marty |
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| Wouldn't it be funny if the seller's name is Gregory? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 Feelings are not the issue. Deliberate intention to deceive buyers by using misnomers & conflating market accepted facts of pedigree status, is the issue. The seller is not a well respected national dealer. The way he is pumping his books is the polar opposite of the way you described your experience so buying high grades from reputable dealers. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Why was he denied pedigree status? Iām pretty sure I can guess why but what was the actual CBCS reason? |
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| @Logan510 if i remember correctly his books were not deemed to be high enough quality to qualify. this may be the case but the books marty has shown i really wouldnāt care about the grade and would just be very proud if they were in my collection! i do believe though that he was in talks with cbcs to put something alike āfrom the collection of ....ā should he decide to slab them. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 Thank you all for your interest. I requested to both CGC and CBCS that I would like to have my future graded books be noted as the PARK AVENUE COLLECTION. From CGC on December 24, 2013: "Our criteria for a PEDIGREE collection is very specific and it's unlikely that a collection of only 600 books would qualify as usually a few thousand is necessary. In addition, the bulk of the collection must be high grade, averaging around a 8.0 to 9.0 or better for Golden Age Books and in looking at a snapshot of your last few submissions the average grade looks like it's in the 5.0 to 7.0 range." From CBCS on November 22, 2016: "These would not qualify for a "Pedigree" notation, however we can certainly do a collection notation on the label for you depending on how many books you wanted to get certified. I do know how rare a collection like this is, and the fact you are the one who bought them off the newsstands (and still own them) is nothing short of incredible. While this does not give the collection a Pedigree status in the hobby, it does allow it to be noted as being identified as belonging to a particular "significant" collection." As you can see CBCS has offered to do exactly what I asked for... it's just up to me to get the cash together to submit a significant amount of books. Again, thanks all for your interest! Marty Mann |
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| That's cool to see CBCS stepped up in some way at least, thanks for sharing | ||
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 Why just the women? I like bears.
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Quote:Originally Posted by martymann Are you familiar with https://www.gofundme.com I'd kick down a few bucks  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster Thanks...I'll check it out. Marty |
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