CGC unrestored to CBCS restored!5447
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JAMESC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I purchased a Major SA Key grade 6.5 unrestored. I had it pressed and resubmitted it to CBCS for VSP (red label)(2 signatures). Both signatures came back Verified and grade remained 6.5 however it came back restored: cover cleaned!! It's my most valuable book so I'm super stressed out about it. has anyone experienced something similar? Is it worth submitting again? Thank you guys! |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Do the notes say anything?? Dry cleaning is not considered restoration but if any chemicals got involved then your sunk | ||
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| Damn, that bites! Have you talked to you presser yet? | ||
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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| While this is a painful thing for the owners of such books, it is not an unheard of thing. In the CGC forums across the street, you can find a number of stories of books going from blue to purple and purple to blue. I've seen it happen twice with clients books - although never cover cleaned. One was staples and the other a tiny bit of color touch. I would suggest checking with who pressed the book and make sure they did not clean the cover with any solvents. No one that knows what they are doing would do so - but we don't know who you used. It can sometimes be difficult to tell if the cover of a book was cleaned with solvents and sometimes it is easy. Your alternatives are essentially to get the book regraded or accept as is. You could send it back to CGC and see what they say. Or send it back to CBCS for another go. |
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| The presser I used is the same guy I've always used. never had a problem before; and of course I mentioned it to him anyway; he confirmed does not use any chemicals or solvents | ||
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JAMESC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics I have not yet, ...the system was down when I tried |
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| I don't think CGC would be satisfactory for you in regards to the authenticated signatures. So that suggestion probably is not for you. I don't know anything about cleaning a book. But could having it cleaned possibly remove this books problem? I assume a proper cleaning is not detectable and also is not harmful to signatures? |
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doog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Great example of how dangerous this game is. You are gonna have to crack it out again to look close | ||
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Watcher private msg quote post Address this user | |
ouch...maybe wait until its busy season and sneak it in again and hope it gets missed  |
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JAMESC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Watcher I might just have to do that :/ |
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| and on a more serious note...@conditionfreak has a reasonable question...not knowing anything about cleaning as well ...does the solvent diminish the integrity of the paper and that's what they saw...or does it leave a residue and maybe a proper cleaning would remove it? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by doogQuote: Originally Posted by doog Yeah no doubt. I’ve never had an issue before and the only time this happens is with my favorite book :/ |
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| @jamesc...since this is your best book...I really don't see the harm in quietly resubmitting. I don't think it's deceptive...you nor anyone you deal with cleaned the book improperly...you bought it under the pretense of being blue label and you paid accordingly. These companies are always changing and tweaking policy (i.e.: tape)...and plenty of books with flaws get missed (just never mine)...you catch a grader on a monday morning fresh and its a 9.0...on Friday at 5pm mid con season and its a 9.2... just the way it works..and it does happen that way sometimes...this is not a science but it's the best we have (and I like it so no jabs from the peanut gallery boys )... so if a proper clean is not viable...no harm in resubmitting |
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Are you kidding me? Are we not allowed to dry clean our books and get oils and dirt removed from the cover for better eye appeal? This is crazy! Nonsense! | ||
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @JAMESC When you plan to sell it just gotta send it back to CGC for that Green label. If you are keeping it who cares. But, CGC has been handing out a lot more "Conserved" labels these days for cleaning too. |
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JAMESC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Watcher I have no idea what it is they saw. I just know the guy who presses/cleans my books does “dry cleaning only” with does not leave anything and does not count as restoration. He has done many books for me which always comes back with no issues. I’m thinking what they saw was from something prior?! I don’t know |
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JAMESC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Watcher |
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JAMESC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Thanks for all the input guys! | ||
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jrs private msg quote post Address this user | |
| What's the book? | ||
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 I'll probably wake up constipated.
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| Since the book was initially graded by CGC, wouldn't it have gone through their 4 grader process?... 3 graders and then the master grader. So that SHOULD mean 4 CGC graders gave it an unrestored label. | ||
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JAMESC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Yes! That’s why I’m so shocked about the result |
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JAMESC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by jrs I rather not say. But I own 2 mid grade unrestored AF15s and this SA book is more valuable than those |
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I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by JAMESC #suspense |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I've heard of instances where a press or dry cleaning have revealed initially unnoticed restoration. It's a real punch in the gut when it's an especially valuable book. |
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jrs private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by JAMESC Wow! Your disappointment is certainly understandable. |
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| Pics or it didn’t happen. | ||
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TimBildhauser private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by JAMESCIf it makes a difference... books don't get looked over less closely based on where turnaround times are. There are a number of things that indicate cleaning having been done, it could have possibly stripped some of the gloss, bleached the cover to some degree, left a chemical residue behind etc. The trickiest part of detecting restoration is knowing what you're looking for/at. There are restoration methods that to can be easily missed even by someone with experience. We're lucky enough to have not only Borock around for these instances but West as well. If the book you sent is a big SA key I can guarantee it was looked over by both of them. |
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| lol..@tim...I was just being a little funny as it's a running joke with me for the last few years. I have nothing but respect for these companies and it is not an easy job breaking into this market. Making everyone happy is impossible. Regarding CBCS, I made the switch a couple years ago and haven't looked back. Its a much stronger, more reputable company hands down. However, on a side note, I've had multiple conversations with graders as I've come across them over the years and they all say the same thing...when the s**t hits the fan and they're slammed and working crazy hours with the cons..they can't even think straight. Their minds are wiped and come Friday at 5, they're just trying to get through the day. It is not the same QA that is received on Monday. It can't be...we're only human . Its not a dig brother...it's just the way it is - especially when staffing numbers are low. Things get missed ....even the most impressive fortune 100 company is going to make mistakes in various departments...a good company steps up to the plate when they do - which is why I switched to CBCS in the first place. No place Id rather be |
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| and btw...@jamesc....no point in disclosing the book...but if its as nice a book as it sounds, I think they're probably going to spot it running through again (at least this year).They probably already read this, looked up your account...and put your pic up with a pic of the book and a BOLO If it's not a flip, just hang on to it and see where this grading thing goes in the next few years. Maybe they ease up on cleaning..christ! Im still waiting for water stains, glue and color touch to be a non factor so i can resubmit my keys |
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Quote:Originally Posted by WatcherI can assure you 100% that conventions won't play a part in this with CBCS going forward. Some structural changes have been made to the organization and the fine folks grading your books will be at the office doing just that. I'll be the one out on the convention trail, along with some of our AWs and occasionally Mark Roman and Steve Paulus. Although once in awhile they might even let Borock out of the office. Overall though the graders will be able to focus on grading. |
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