CGC Green Label to CBCS Blue Label5403
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Hello all, I recently acquired a Mystery Men Comics #1 1.5 CGC Green Label, it was given a green label due to a married cover via tape. My question is, if I send it in to be regraded/slabbed by CBCS what should I expect? I mainly want to get rid of the green label for obvious reasons, but I'm curious how CBCS will approach it. Thanks all! | ||
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| 1.0 Restored label. Cover married. Amateur restoration includes tape. | ||
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Since there's virtually no statistics on this comic specifically, do you think that decreases the value, leaves it about the same, or increases it? |
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| Out of curiousity, what’s the obvious reasons you’d like to get rid of the green label? I mean isn't it the correct label for the book? |
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
 ZERO sales. You control the market, brah. |
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by IntoAnother Well the green label is used for comics that have signatures that weren't witnessed or comics that have damage to the point that it needs to be notated on the label. In this case its "Married Cover. (Spine of cover completely split & cover detached. Tape on interior)". I would think that this would be a purple label since the cover has been taped on, but it isn't. I'm honestly not sure how CGC determines what label they use in this instance but my main question is is does the book benefit from being re-submitted to CBCS? Because my initial assessment is that it would. |
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Well there will be one sale, I bought this one from eBay, it probably just hasn't populated on GoCollect yet. |
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
Here it is for reference.  |
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| i'd keep the qualified label instead of restored | ||
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It's a green label because the cover isn't original to the comic inside. Someone had a coverless copy and acquired that cover to go with it. At least that's my understanding of the definition of married as it pertains to comic books. | ||
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IntoAnother private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Thank you @c2t2merch for the response. I’m not very familiar with restored books. So much so that when I read your post my mind mistakenly read purple when it clearly states it’s a green label. |
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I understand that aspect of it, I'm just not sure why it was given a green label instead of a purple label if its considered restoration. |
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| I would keep as is. | ||
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by IntoAnother Yeah that's exactly my problem as well, just like you I would assume that marrying a cover would be considered restoration, I'm not really complaining because the green label is far better than the purple one. Would CBCS consider this to be restoration however? |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don't think married wraps and pages are considered restoration. Also, someone posted an Amazing Spider-Man #1 CBCS 1.8 that had tape all over it and it wasn't listed as being restored. | ||
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson So in theory if submitted to CBCS it would receive a blue label with a note saying "married cover, etc" but would not be labeled restored? |
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| I would think it would be a blue label, but take a grade hit. However, that's just a guess. You would have to ask someone at CBCS. | ||
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @c2t2merch What is your end goal with switching? Are you planning to sell it? Historically CGC sells for more (when considering other books as this has no history) and as others have mentioned you actually might get a grade decrease. |
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KingNampa No intention to ever sell, I just want it to be at its highest value possible just in case there is ever a situation in which it needs to be sold. |
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| * This is definitely not a suggestion * For learning purposes, if one were to remove the tape/glue from this book with an assumption it’s done without causing any additional defects to the book. What would the new CGC/CBCS labels and grades be? I have no doubts it’s never as easy as the above question implies, just curious is all. |
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The reason I say that is because typically from what I've seen green/purple labels are worth less than blue labels even if the blue label is a notch or two lower on the grade. This is book is so rare that maybe it doesn't matter but I'm just trying to make the best of it. From what you all have said, I probably will not have it submitted and if I ever do it'll be in person/on-site so that I can speak with a CBCS representative before making a final decision. Obviously if it does have any restoration (which would mean CGC didn't detect it) or if it would receive below a suitable grade at least equal in value then I would just leave it be. | ||
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by IntoAnother I would like to know this as well. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke CBCS does not give a restored label to married pages. Universal blue label, with a note on the label that says what wrap is married. I've done it a few times. |
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Have you ever sent in a CGC green label to them with the same situation? If so how much of a grade hit would you say on average you typically took? (Obviously this will differ from book to book) |
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| @c2t2merch I have cracked green labels, added the missing wrap, and sent in to CBCS. Its been a while, last one I did was in '16. Superman #11 missing centerfold. I lost a full grade point, but it was likely due to that the centerfold was of lesser quality paper, and CGC does tend to grade a bit higher in my experience. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by c2t2merch The Married Pages should not cause a grade hit, just a note. As for the tape, I have had up to a 3.5 with taped spine before. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer @shrewbeer For the Superman #11, is the CBCS universal at that grade still worth more than the higher CGC green? |
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| One of the problems I have with married pages or back covers is. Some books have changeable ad pages and or back covers that were produced throughout that months production. Which means it’s possibly with certain books that you can chop up a $5.00 western or funny animal and marry ad pages to a valuable super hero key. So a married ad page or back cover is not guaranteed to be from that specific book. | ||
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| @c2t2merch A CGC green label is a PRETEND grade. A book missing a centerfold is a poor at best, incomplete book .3 at worst. Pretty sure its the latter. It is now a 4.5, certainly be worth more  Quote: Originally Posted by Homer That would be very hard to do, both sides of the paper would have to be identical. I have seen slabs with notes like "wrong back cover", "wrong X-wrap" etc though |
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c2t2merch private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @shrewbeer I figured as much, so in your opinion would my book benefit from being submitted to CBCS? | ||
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