New/inexperienced buyers: stick with slabs.5344
 Collector
|
det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak Seen Twilight Zone -- Time enough?? Been there. Sooo right. |
||
| Post 126 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user | |
| And then, for what we have been posting about and why it's a good thing to help newbies walk away...I give you, for some consideration... https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/5359/page/1/amazing-spider-man-1-help-question. @DocBrown & @conditionfreak, you two are especially up, please. |
||
| Post 127 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics Right. It is not going to be the next Nyx #3, but it is a solid modern....which is a rarity, in itself. With Weapon H's solo series kicking coming out next month, it will see a decent increase soon enough. |
||
| Post 128 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm sorry, but I have a complaint. I've been screwed over, not by a seller but by a grading company. @Conditionfreak was kind enough to help a newbie on a review of a potential purchase at my request. As a result, I learned something very important. What was being looked at, was a book at a 1.8 grade. Ok by itself, but I saw another copy of this same book, given the same 1.8 level. The 2 copies were worlds apart in looks...with the same grade!?! I asked conditionfreak for his opinion. He agreed that there was a tremendous difference between the two copies, even tho they share the same grade value. He explained the grading company, on the better looking book, undervalued its true grade worth. You want to buy a book, that's a potential big bonus. You want to sell a book, you've just been screwed out of a big potential difference if the book was graded the true number of its worth. Some people here say trust the companies to grade and slab books. Trust the professionals?? Am I going to buy a book or sell one?? YEAH, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. 1.8 DOES NOT EQUAL A GRADE 3. AND A GRADE 3 DOES NOT EQUAL 1.8 !!! |
||
| Post 129 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If you're only buying slabs, knowing how to check a slab for tampering is also important. | ||
| Post 130 • IP flag post | ||
 I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
|
esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @det_tobor - That’s why you buy the book and not the grade. At any grade, there will be some books that look better or worse than others. Would you rather have an 8.5 with a tiny stain or tear on the back cover or the front cover? Or one larger defect or multiple smaller defects? The grade takes all defects into account, but does not necessarily indicate the eye appeal of the book. | ||
| Post 131 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo Thanks, for that...but as a seller OR buyer I would have to reevaluate both grading companies to see more closely how each grades. I would compare books at auction houses and other places to see what the assigned value looks like by each company and see which results looks more accurate..and how much of a difference there might be. That will tell me which company I'm going to trust for their objective reviews as a buyer AND seller. The thing is, with each company having multiple appraisers, even if I don't take a book out of its slab, it's still going to have that "used car still on the lot" feel. Big question of real trust. |
||
| Post 132 • IP flag post | ||
 COLLECTOR
|
shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @det_tobor The place to start would be the Overstreet grading guide, To understand the myriad of defects books in the same grade can have. Two books with the same grade are never going to be equal, and that is not the fault of a grading company. The grade is a fraction of understanding a books condition; it’s not everything. |
||
| Post 133 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer ???? ....ok, this should REALLY be interesting learning. |
||
| Post 134 • IP flag post | ||
|
COLLECTOR
|
shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by det_tobor Buying a comic is not like buying a stock. Although the market seems to want it to be nowadays. I have seen some nasty looking books sell for lots of money just because another book of the same grade sold for a bunch. As an example Look at the Spider-Man #1 thread here. That book is freaking hideous compared to other books of the same grade, I wouldn't pay more than half book value at that grade for it. |
||
| Post 135 • IP flag post | ||
 COLLECTOR
|
Foghorn_Sam private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm and old, experience buyer and I stick with slabs. Been screwed over too many times buying raw books with undisclosed defects, color touch, pieces or pages missing etc. I just discovered this nice Fantastic Four #67 I purchased from Mile High comics years ago has an entire page missing. It doesn't affect the story (as I've now discovered it's an advertisement page on both sides), and that's probably why they missed it and I missed it all these years until I did a page count on it and came up short. |
||
| Post 136 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user | |
| From @Shrewbeer: @det_tobor The place to start would be the Overstreet grading guide, To understand the myriad of defects books in the same grade can have. Two books with the same grade are never going to be equal, and that is not the fault of a grading company. **SO, 2 AS #1 are BOTH graded at 1.8..by the 2 grading companies. They look NOTHING like each other. I, as a buyer, look at several copies thru different data bases. I AM looking at the quality of each book, with the same grade, and note which company said it's worth "this". AS#1 original is still NOT that common. ** The grade is a fraction of understanding a books condition; it’s not everything. (???? ) **What else is involved in understanding a book's condition?** Buying a comic is not like buying a stock. Although the market seems to want it to be nowadays. I have seen some nasty looking books sell for lots of money just because another book of the same grade sold for a bunch. As an example Look at the Spider-Man #1. That book is freaking hideous compared to other books of the same grade, [[I wouldn't pay more than half book value at that grade for it.]] **I understand that books can have loads of defects. No question. I understand 2 copies of the same book can have very different care. You tell me that 2 copies can have the same grade, without being restored, AND LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT??** ** That's not the same scale being used. Think twice before you use company X and their evaluation process.** **Can a book EVER have just HALF a cover and still get a grade of 7?? or 6?? Or 5?? Or 4?? Or 3?? |
||
| Post 137 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Don't want this thread going to waste. | ||
| Post 138 • IP flag post | ||
|
COLLECTOR
|
shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @det_tobor I think you may have missed my point, but I’m having a hard time deciphering what’s what in the previous post quotes Have you picked up a copy of the grading guide? That book was a huge eye-opener for me when it came to understanding how to books can be the same grade yet one looks much worse |
||
| Post 139 • IP flag post | ||
 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
|
drchaos private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I am impressed this thread still lives. At one point this one seemed to be on a one way path for a lock. |
||
| Post 140 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If you need to buy a grading guide and ask boardies to grade books for you....this threads advice should be followed to the T, Refer to the House of secrets #92 thread, |
||
| Post 141 • IP flag post | ||
 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
|
kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I been selling toys and modern signed graded variant books and buying up a bunch of raw keys that I regret selling in 2012. Working for me so fart. | ||
| Post 142 • IP flag post | ||
|
I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
|
kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
 |
||
| Post 143 • IP flag post | ||
 Forum Crier
|
OGJackster private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I gas you're right. I'd raise a stink too if I sold some keys that I should have kept. Smells of a terrible time. |
||
| Post 144 • IP flag post | ||
 COLLECTOR
|
conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster You guys crack me up. |
||
| Post 145 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak Pffffft. Pardon. |
||
| Post 146 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
 |
||
| Post 147 • IP flag post | ||
|
I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
|
kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
 |
||
| Post 148 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Looks like she took a whiff of the last few posts. | ||
| Post 149 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Newbie needs this. This book helped me a few years back. It has nice visuals and examples of different grades. It is well worth the money.       |
||
| Post 150 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don't know how the 2nd edition is, but I have the 1st and 3rd, and I found the 3rd to be an absolute waste of money compared to the 1st. The 3rd had front cover only examples whereas the 1st had front and back. It makes zero sense to me to show ANY comic's front cover only, and say it's an example. Does each book in that edition have perfect back covers? Unlikely. Somehow they had to play a factor, but in what way is a mystery. It made me think of so many "Please Grade My..." posts at the CGC forum where someone would show the front only, and some would actually get irritated when asked to provide a back image. |
||
| Post 151 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigSI had misplaced the book and it popped up today. The second edition that I showed only has a few back covers displayed. The ones that are shown also have the front covers also. You have a good point, however I still think it is a pretty helpful book, especially for someone newer to collecting. |
||
| Post 152 • IP flag post | ||
This topic is archived. Start new topic?