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Collector det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user
People here have said they have been victims of fraud.

Not really something I'd want to do to someone else, let alone happen to me or any friend of mine.

Important topic?
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COLLECTOR conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user
I love reading about comic books. And I love learning about comic books (and just about anything else). And I love a good debate. I NEVER get personal, unless the barbs are directed at me first.

When I am personally attacked with comments about "calling me out" for blah, blah, blah. I respond. Check other threads, but y'all have read them.

So yea. I can be a jerk. But remember this. I NEVER do it first. You push me and I push back twice as hard.

It's laughable when a certain person here says he "just wants to have a good discussion" and that "disagreements should not result in attacks". When he does it all of the time. He even jumped down the throat of a newbie asking newbie questions, and insinuated he was stupid. But said what he did was justified because that newbie needed to be told how stupid he was, for his own good.

You leave me alone and I will leave you alone. I have no desire whatsoever interacting with you. Just control your mouth and I will control mine.

And for Gods sake. Quit crying to the moderators trying to sound like the little kid in the playground being bullied. YOU are the bully here. Just like you did to that newbie. You have been suspended for a week and then for two weeks. Either a moderator is really unfair and misguided. Or you earned those suspensions. Getting a suspension is not evil and could happen to any of us on a bad day. I will grant you that. But you are in an argument and dispute EVERY DAY here.

This is my last dispute with you, unless you attack me again.

Promise.
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Collector Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user
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Is this really that important of a topic? To me it's akin to saying "don't look directly into the sun, you'll hurt your eyes".


I was kind of thinking the same thing, like, "buyer beware".


For some people, common sense isn't so common. I've seen a lot of new people ask a lot of questions, get a lot of good advice and then just do what they wanted to do anyway.

I've been reading / collecting comics for a long time, but I wouldn't buy an expensive book over the internet unless it was slabbed and even then only from a person / dealer I knew.
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People here have said they have been victims of fraud.

Not really something I'd want to do to someone else, let alone happen to me or any friend of mine.

Important topic?


Agree. People dive into this hobby like I've never seen. If it helps someone, how can it be a bad thing?
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Collector Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user
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People here have said they have been victims of fraud.

Not really something I'd want to do to someone else, let alone happen to me or any friend of mine.

Important topic?


Agree. People dive into this hobby like I've never seen. If it helps someone, how can it be a bad thing?


Due to the style of this board I doubt it will help much unless it's stickied.
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COLLECTOR conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user
One man's expensive book is another man's not expensive book. I get that.

But I have never been ripped off or disappointed in buying here or on the CGC forum. Raw or slabbed.

But I do pick and choose who I buy from. I have no problem buying from 00slim, poka, KingNampa, esaravo, and many other people here.

Now (which happens here infrequently), some guy with one or three posts puts something up for sale here. I just ignore it. No matter how enticing the offering is. Just like Ebay. I don't get blinded by the book and throw out my common practices.
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Collector det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user
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Is this really that important of a topic? To me it's akin to saying "don't look directly into the sun, you'll hurt your eyes".


I was kind of thinking the same thing, like, "buyer beware".


For some people,
[[ common sense isn't so common.]].
I've seen a lot of new people ask a lot of questions, get a lot of good advice and then just do what they wanted to do anyway.


Yeah, that happens a LOT!
New buyers can get reprints first, might not even know about those, then learn about collecting. They want to do long term investing? Fine, know that there is a great deal to know for the "second market" here. Might you get lucky? Yeah, but do you have that much that you can afford it if you aren't?
There are not just so many details to collecting, but so many different tastes and reasons to make differences as well.

Hey, instead of thinking "looking into the sun (or don't)", think
buying a used car. Just a thought.
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Collector MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user
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People here have said they have been victims of fraud.

Not really something I'd want to do to someone else, let alone happen to me or any friend of mine.

Important topic?


Agree. People dive into this hobby like I've never seen. If it helps someone, how can it be a bad thing?


Due to the style of this board I doubt it will help much unless it's stickied.


I guess "someone" is apt, then LOL
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Collector MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user
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Is this really that important of a topic? To me it's akin to saying "don't look directly into the sun, you'll hurt your eyes".


I was kind of thinking the same thing, like, "buyer beware".


For some people, common sense isn't so common. I've seen a lot of new people ask a lot of questions, get a lot of good advice and then just do what they wanted to do anyway.


Capt. America (Justin) from the CGC forum is the first name that comes to mind.
Wow.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
@Logan510 Perhaps that would make sense. While I like these boards and am on them frequently one pet peeve I have is that there are many sticky threads at the top that must be scrolled past each time I look at the forum.

While not having sub folders / forums is something I have gotten used to it makes the sticky threads stand out more because they are all in one place and they are all at the very top of that place.
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Collector BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user
I think this has been a good thread with some good information for the newb and even guys like me that have been collecting awhile. Doc Brown's example of the married pages is something that can be easily overlooked if not super careful when buying books. His point is that buying slabbed books will prevent a collector or more so an "investor" from getting screwed on a raw book.
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One man's expensive book is another man's not expensive book. I get that.

But I have never been ripped off or disappointed in buying here or on the CGC forum. Raw or slabbed.

But I do pick and choose who I buy from. I have no problem buying from 00slim, poka, KingNampa, esaravo, and many other people here.

Now (which happens here infrequently), some guy with one or three posts puts something up for sale here. I just ignore it. No matter how enticing the offering is. Just like Ebay. I don't get blinded by the book and throw out my common practices.


I 100% understand you're logic, as i would be skeptical buying from an unknown entity myself. BUT how would you suggest a person like myself goes about selling a book or two? Not looking to sell at the moment, and I am a new collector with only about 2 years and 1000 comics to my name, but i would imagine at some point in the future I might entertain the thought. Either to clear up some space, or free up cash for other books.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
@mr_brendo If you are looking to sell a couple books I would list them for sale here where you would not have to pay any fees. If that doesn't work and the books have some value you might be able to give them to Comic Connect, Comic Link, etc. on consignment.
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If you are new to buying comics, or are unsure of your ability to grade and/or detect restoration, stick with buying already graded books. That's why the grading companies exist: so that people can buy with a high measure of assurance that the book is what the label says it is.

If you buy raw books, and you don't know what you're doing, you're going to get burned. If you buy raw books and you DO know what you're doing, you can still get burned.

As Marilyn Milian is fond of saying: "Lo barato sale caro." Cheap now, expensive later.

The "premium" you'll pay for slabbed books is far and away ameliorated by the time, effort, energy, and frustration you don't have to expend on bad deals and hidden problems.


I am gonna have to disagree to this statement. "Getting burned" can teach you a lot as well as carefully observing a book. What I would do is try and tell new and inexperienced folks is to take things slow and not start spending big dollars right off the hop because whether a book is slabbed or raw they can spend far more than they need to. As well, if they just stick to buying graded book they never will learn the ropes the way everyone should. They will be slaves to authority and be afraid to step outside what others say.

I would agree that if one is buying online or sight unseen and they are not sure of their grading skills buying a slabbed book is a safer bet, but even then they should proceed with caution.
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Collector mr_brendo private msg quote post Address this user
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@mr_brendo If you are looking to sell a couple books I would list them for sale here where you would not have to pay any fees. If that doesn't work and the books have some value you might be able to give them to Comic Connect, Comic Link, etc. on consignment.


Thanks, ill keep that in mind for the future.
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Why just the women? I like bears. Gaard private msg quote post Address this user
Maybe I'm missing something, but what risk is there if you are going to get your money back if it isn't as described?
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COLLECTOR conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user
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One man's expensive book is another man's not expensive book. I get that.

But I have never been ripped off or disappointed in buying here or on the CGC forum. Raw or slabbed.

But I do pick and choose who I buy from. I have no problem buying from 00slim, poka, KingNampa, esaravo, and many other people here.

Now (which happens here infrequently), some guy with one or three posts puts something up for sale here. I just ignore it. No matter how enticing the offering is. Just like Ebay. I don't get blinded by the book and throw out my common practices.


I 100% understand you're logic, as i would be skeptical buying from an unknown entity myself. BUT how would you suggest a person like myself goes about selling a book or two? Not looking to sell at the moment, and I am a new collector with only about 2 years and 1000 comics to my name, but i would imagine at some point in the future I might entertain the thought. Either to clear up some space, or free up cash for other books.


DrChaos gave you good advice on this. The only thing I can add is that no matter if you are a brand new seller. If what you are offering is a desirable book, someone will buy it for the going rate, or more. If it is a mid grade common book (say ASM #33), then it might go for less than you hoped. "buy It Now" can help with that on Ebay. On here, it depends on the book. It ALWAYS depends on the book. Just not to me, but there are people who don't mind the disputes, returns and gamble. I just don't want to go through things like that. Good luck when and if you sell. Offer here first. This place is filled with true collectors and like DrChaos said "no fees" is nice.
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COLLECTOR conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user
Well, today is a good day. I didn't wake until 1: PM. I expected to come here and find I had been suspended for a week or so.

I was surprised to find I am still alive. Ha Ha

That is an inside joke, that I will share just for fun.

I have a large life insurance policy, but it is a term policy and the term expired three years ago. According to the policy rules, the monthly premium after the term expired was to raise unbelievably high. Too high to afford.

But for the last three years the premium only raised about twenty-five bucks and they send us a bill every month, and are allowing the policy to continue. But they can just stop any time they want, or raise the premium to $1,000 any time they want.

Now here's the funny part: Every time we get the months bill in the mail. My wife loudly announces "Great News. You get to live another month", and we both laugh.

But she doesn't laugh as loud as I do. Hmmm...
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Collector OrbitCityComics private msg quote post Address this user
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plus
most people today don't have loads of money to easily lose. There are decades where this hobby went from constant putdowns to worse for collectors.
No one enjoyed any of that.


There's no guarantee any modern you buy in 9.8 condition is going to retain its value or even grow. In fact, the market moves so fast that the odds are against you if you're playing the long game. For every modern that goes up in price, there are probably ten that lose value.

People were selling, and getting, Batman Rebirth 24 raws for ridiculous prices. Today you can pick up a copy for under $10 if you do a bit of searching.
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Forum Crier OGJackster private msg quote post Address this user
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"Great News. You get to live another month"

Sounds like my wife
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There's no guarantee any modern you buy in 9.8 condition is going to retain its value or even grow.


It's always great though when it does. Totally Awesome Hulk #22 (Aug 2017, Marvel) First print seems to be hanging in there... for now.
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There's no guarantee any modern you buy in 9.8 condition is going to retain its value or even grow.


It's always great though when it does. Totally Awesome Hulk #22 (Aug 2017, Marvel) First print seems to be hanging in there... for now.


Low print run helped.
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Collector det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user
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Well, today is a good day. I didn't wake until 1: PM. I expected to come here and find I had been suspended for a week or so.
I was surprised to find I am still alive. Ha Ha
That is an inside joke, that I will share just for fun.

But she doesn't laugh as loud as I do. Hmmm...


@Conditionfreak,
Any news on a replacement organ for you?
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
Curious...Who is a new buyer of comics on this forum? I thought we were all seasoned, disgruntled, comic vets.
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COLLECTOR conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user
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Well, today is a good day. I didn't wake until 1: PM. I expected to come here and find I had been suspended for a week or so.
I was surprised to find I am still alive. Ha Ha
That is an inside joke, that I will share just for fun.

But she doesn't laugh as loud as I do. Hmmm...


@Conditionfreak,
Any news on a replacement organ for you?


Nothing on the horizon. Probably gonna just keep up with the status quo until the end.

Sucks, but it could be worse. Imagine being a comic book collector and being blind. Now THAT would be terrible.
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Collector det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by conditionfreak
Well, today is a good day. I didn't wake until 1: PM. I expected to come here and find I had been suspended for a week or so.
I was surprised to find I am still alive. Ha Ha
That is an inside joke, that I will share just for fun.

But she doesn't laugh as loud as I do. Hmmm...


@Conditionfreak,
Any news on a replacement organ for you?


Nothing on the horizon. Probably gonna just keep up with the status quo until the end.

Sucks, but it could be worse. Imagine being a comic book collector and being blind. Now THAT would be terrible.


Seen Twilight Zone -- Time enough?? Been there. Sooo right.
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Collector det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user
And then, for what we have been posting about and why it's a good thing to help newbies walk away...I give you, for some consideration...

https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/5359/page/1/amazing-spider-man-1-help-question.

@DocBrown & @conditionfreak, you two are especially up, please.
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Collector CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user
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There's no guarantee any modern you buy in 9.8 condition is going to retain its value or even grow.


It's always great though when it does. Totally Awesome Hulk #22 (Aug 2017, Marvel) First print seems to be hanging in there... for now.


Low print run helped.


Right.

It is not going to be the next Nyx #3, but it is a solid modern....which is a rarity, in itself.

With Weapon H's solo series kicking coming out next month, it will see a decent increase soon enough.
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Collector det_tobor private msg quote post Address this user
I'm sorry, but I have a complaint. I've been screwed over, not by a seller but by a grading company.
@Conditionfreak was kind enough to help a newbie on a review of a potential purchase at my request. As a result, I learned something very important.
What was being looked at, was a book at a 1.8 grade. Ok by itself, but I saw another copy of this same book, given the same 1.8 level. The 2 copies were worlds apart in looks...with the same grade!?!

I asked conditionfreak for his opinion. He agreed that there was a tremendous difference between the two copies, even tho they share the same grade value. He explained the grading company, on the better looking book, undervalued its true grade worth.

You want to buy a book, that's a potential big bonus.
You want to sell a book, you've just been screwed out of a big potential difference if the book was graded the true number of its worth.
Some people here say trust the companies to grade and slab books.
Trust the professionals?? Am I going to buy a book or sell one??
YEAH, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. 1.8 DOES NOT EQUAL A GRADE 3.
AND A GRADE 3 DOES NOT EQUAL 1.8 !!!
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Collector comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user
If you're only buying slabs, knowing how to check a slab for tampering is also important.
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