Backlash against new CGC slab sellers?534
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1Cool private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My question got scrubbed over in CGC so it must be an issue that has been considered and they don't want talked about. Does anyone think there will be a negative backlash against those people who persist in subbing and selling the new CGC slabs? Even though the slabbers and sellers of books have no direct input into the slabs themselves will the buyers of the product (ie people still subbing books at CGC) be seen as "traitors" by people that insist in an immediate change and feel a complete boycott is necessary? |
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FUEGOMUSIC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My personal opinion I will not purchase anything in the slab. And if by any chance there might be steal that I can't pass up, it would have to be at a big discount to break slab and get it reslabed at CBCS. | ||
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Claudio private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Roy has said that it is hurting his business. | ||
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earthshaker01 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I will only buy an older cgc slabs. Even then I am cracking and sending to cbcs. Their case is much higher quality irregardless if it is an old or new cgc case. I want quality and appearance when I look at my slab. CBCS has had my business since the start and will continue now. For those of you that know my stuff I have spent 12k plus just in grading that CGC has lost in revenue and plan on spending another 20k with cbcs o er the next year or so. So I know I am one of hundreds so this loss of revenue has to be hurting cgc globally. | ||
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pjray55 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Their shouldn't be a backlash against submitters who ultimately sell (provided they are up front with any problems) but IMO the buyers are going to be the ones to instill change. If buyers don't buy then sellers don't submit an then CGC is forced to adapt or perish. My concern is that sites like CGC wont be able to differentiate between "new" or "old" slab and sellers might be hurt if their buyers rely heavily on GPA when making purchasing decision as the "new" slabs will likely bring down the averages. |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would not call it backlash, simply voting with my money. I have banned myself from buying CGC slabs new and old alike. | ||
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KenWorthing private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm still going to buy the old slabs (as the money I hand-over for those slabs will not go in CGC's coffers), but .. buying new slabs??? ... not a chance, until the issue is absolutely, 100% fixed, with full disclosure what the fix was. I realise that may be a long time coming, in which case; my subbing relationship with CGC is over. |
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Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 1Cool This really depends. I think that there may be a backlash from collectors and dealers in the "know" about the issues with the new cases. However, as far as the general public, I wouldn't think that there would be a backlash. |
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1Cool private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego I guess I was wondering if sellers would say (think) "I don't think I'll bulk sell to dealer X since they still get books graded at CGC". Terrible analogy but I'm thinking of the Vietnam Vet scenario where vets were spit on since they went to war rather then avoid the draft. To a MUCH lesser extent I'm wondering if people that stay the course with CGC will be considered to be adding to the problem. |
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edowens71 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| More likely that the boycotts will be against the product, rather than the seller (i.e., I won't buy your new slab CGCs, but I might buy other stuff you're selling). Although there will probably be some small group of philosophical extremists that take it to the personal level (i.e., I think you're scum because you continue to submit to a company who is wrecking books and the hobby at large, so I won't buy anything from you)...not that I would be critical of this extreme position ( chin scratch emoticon ) Of course, there will also be a group of buyers who carries on as usual, oblivious or indifferent to the issue...question is whether there are enough of these to keep you in business. |
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| I don't know if "boycott" are "backlash" are the right words. But if a seller says something like "I didn't design the new holder; take up your waviness issue with CGC", that's a problem for me. If I buy a CGC book from a seller, my transaction is with the seller. To shuffle off my complaint to CGC is passing the buck. Especially since there's really no official statement or policy from CGC about dealing with the wave problems. Yes, CGC made various offers to fix the books to various folks on various venues, but that's hardly reassuring. So if you continue to submit to CGC, you're not a traitor. But if I ever buy a book from you, I'd want to be very clear about your return and refund policies if waves should ever develop at any time down the road. |
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1Cool private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I like the feature that tells me who is typing. But it did make we wait for Ghost_Town and edowens71's post since I knew they were coming. | ||
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1Cool private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Ghost_Town Which will make those type of books a dumping ground on ComicLink since they do not accept returns and some of the issues are hard to see in scans. Sites like ComicLink are going to have a hard time with the new slab issues. |
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ThisLand private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Labeling collectors and sellers "traitors" for continuing to do business with CGC seems petty. But overall they may feel a "backlash", so to speak, with a reduced demand for their books. I think the demand for new CGC slabbed books will see a dip. It stands to reason that this will drive prices down. | ||
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Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 1Cool This is very true. I am curious to see how CL handles this issue going forward. |
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Ghost_Town private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 1Cool It's a big freaking mess any way you look at it. |
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ThisLand private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Ghost_Town I'm not sure I agree that sellers should accept returns on books that develop problems "any time down the road". I think collectors should be savvy enough to know the issues with CGC slabs and bid/buy accordingly. Some dealers and re-sellers are just as much victims of CGC's negligence as you or I. |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don't think sellers who continue using CGC are traitors or anything like that. They are just business people who are unfortunately making a bad business decision by not jumping ship before it sinks. | ||
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Ghost_Town private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by ThisLand That's fine if you feel that way, of course. But when I'm spending my own money, if a buy 9.6 today and it turns into an 8.5 in three months or three years, I'd want my money back. |
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1Cool private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If it turns out all slabs slowly cause books to break apart due to acids but we don't see the results for 25 years would you ask the guy you bought it from for your money back. And more importantly would you expect your money back. | ||
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ThisLand private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 1Cool This. |
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ThisLand private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Ghost_Town I guess I should clarify. I would also want my money back. However I think its unreasonable to expect it. I won't hold sellers accountable for grading with CGC and absolve myself of any responsibility in the process when it comes to buying CGC slabs. Its a risk and I know it. Honestly, if I were to buy a new CGC graded book I'd likely do so with the view that I was cracking it and re-submitting with CBCS. My purchase price would reflect the risk and work involved. Consumer entitlement is getting a little out of hand IMO. |
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1Cool private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This whole thing is driving me crazy. Just did a search on E-Bay and there is 3,825 results for CBCS and 57,559 for CGC. Some of the CGC could be people saying "CGC it" or similar but that is a staggering difference. I know CBCS is much newer so there is a ton less in the marketplace but that 15 times more CGC books have sold then CBCS - how do you overcome those numbers when it comes to selling CBCS books? | ||
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Ghost_Town private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 1Cool You know that's not the same thing. We're talking about a defective holder, not a natural chemical occurrence. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 1Cool CGC will have to demonstrate zero waviness in their product for at least a year before I'd feel comfortable buying a new slab. But if those fugly rings are still there, then nope. And if they DO fix the waves and rings, they'll still need to change the label just so we know they're not from the Class of 2016. I'll only buy slab versions 1 & 2 if I buy a CGC'd book. |
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CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 1Cool Well, that's a mighty big IF. It might be a consideration if not for the fact that the LoC recommends certain types of plastics as archivally safe, which kinda makes this a moot point. Alas, I don't have access to the research papers on this subject, but there's precedence for the public acceptance of expert scientific opinions on matters like this. Heck, it might even trump legal challenges (pun intended). |
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Ghost_Town private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by ThisLand If I buy a 9.6, I expect it to be a 9.6 in three years as long as the slab was not mishandled or exposed to extreme elements. If that's consumer entitlement, I'm ok with that. Again, you're free to expect or not expect whatever you like. I'm just telling you how and with whom I'd like to spend my money. |
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CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 1Cool The disparity between those numbers, and the price disparity as well(especially on moderns, where it is the highest) will lessen over the coming months. |
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_bc private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have not and will not buy books in the new holder until I am comfortable that they have at least as much integrity as the prior product. I have no malice toward the sellers or auction houses who list books in the new holder. That is their business; if I don't like the product, I don't have to buy it - no big deal. _bc |
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cloudcloddie private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 1Cool stay away from moderns and sell quality books? |
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