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Originally Posted by jrs
I have to say, the price differential between a restored and unrestored book is often tremendous.

And I must admit: restored books really don't bother me all that much, especially small amounts of color touch.

So if you have graded Silver Age books but they're restored -- especially Strange Tales, Tales of Suspense and Tales to Astonish -- send me a PM, and let's make a deal.

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Is anyone else in my camp, or is this a camp of one?? And yes, I realize I'm in the minority on this one.

Originally Posted by DWeeB1967
For me, what has always been missing for restored comics is an estimated grade of the book WITHOUT restoration. So, as an example, for a restored comic with a purple label grade of 9.0 (which, if I'm not mistaken, is the grade that the comic would have if it appeared as it currently does WITHOUT having been restored), I would also like to see a companion grade estimating what the book would grade at if the restoration could be removed.

So, something like 9.0 / 7.5 to show the apparent grade along with an estimated unrestored grade. That way, it's easier to know that you are really buying a very nice looking 7.5 and can adjust your target buying price accordingly.

Not sure if that makes sense to anyone, though. Hopefully, y'all can understand what I'm getting at.

Originally Posted by jrs
In the case of a dot of added color, I can't imagine there would be much of a difference in grades (i.e., restored vs. unrestored) -- but possibly a tremendous difference in price.

Originally Posted by DWeeB1967
@Homer That was just an example. My point is that, before I'd ever buy a restored book, I'd want to know how it would grade WITHOUT having been restored. If a 4.0 has been restored to an apparent 8.0, and IF I were to buy it (which I would not because I don't buy restored comics), I would want to pay no more than the average price for the 4.0 plus the cost of restoration. I wouldn't want to pay 8.0 (our 7.0 or even 6.0) prices.

In my opinion, that unrestored estimated grade is what is missing for restored comics.

Originally Posted by Homer
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Originally Posted by jrs
In the case of a dot of added color, I can't imagine there would be much of a difference in grades (i.e., restored vs. unrestored) -- but possibly a tremendous difference in price.

A golden age book with a dot of color touch is not restored by CGC standards.

Originally Posted by Homer
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Originally Posted by jrs
In the case of a dot of added color, I can't imagine there would be much of a difference in grades (i.e., restored vs. unrestored) -- but possibly a tremendous difference in price.

A golden age book with a dot of color touch is not restored by CGC standards.

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by Homer
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Originally Posted by jrs
In the case of a dot of added color, I can't imagine there would be much of a difference in grades (i.e., restored vs. unrestored) -- but possibly a tremendous difference in price.

A golden age book with a dot of color touch is not restored by CGC standards.

Incorrect.

Actually, you are being a bit too clever with your choice of wording of the words of "a single dot".

Color touch is ink applied to a cover with the clear intent of masking a defect.

If a blue spot of ink is on a book with a green cover background, where no other ink but green was ever in that area originally, that would not be color touch.

That would just be a defect.

If you believe me to be wrong, post up an example and we can discuss it.

Ehat you did above is slamming CGC, with no substantive reasoning.

I do not think it was intentional on your part, I just want to point out that this sort of comment leads to areactionary, knee jerk bias against CGC.

This goes both ways. It is just as common for collectors who prefer CGC over CBCS, to say similiar things about CBCS.

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by DWeeB1967
For me, what has always been missing for restored comics is an estimated grade of the book WITHOUT restoration. So, as an example, for a restored comic with a purple label grade of 9.0 (which, if I'm not mistaken, is the grade that the comic would have if it appeared as it currently does WITHOUT having been restored), I would also like to see a companion grade estimating what the book would grade at if the restoration could be removed.

So, something like 9.0 / 7.5 to show the apparent grade along with an estimated unrestored grade. That way, it's easier to know that you are really buying a very nice looking 7.5 and can adjust your target buying price accordingly.

Not sure if that makes sense to anyone, though. Hopefully, y'all can understand what I'm getting at.

CBCS and CGC grading would be devalued if a "pre-restored" grade was posted on a label.

Mostly because it would be an arbitrary guess, considering the graders did not actually have the book in it's pre-restored state in hand, to assign a grade.

They would be making an educated guess on estimating a pre restored grade.

In doing so, their competency would come into question.

All restoration is noted by graders. That is all you really need to know, to estimate the original condition of a book.