Why I left CGC !!!5262
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First time caller long time listener !! So I sent this to cgc, and it came back like this. Now I'm no grader by any means !! But a 8.5 because some kid named Brian K.FKN Vaughan wrote on the cover !!!! They know it's legit, but they want to play comic God's Should I crack it open, and get a red label on it ? It's a 9.4 all day long... |
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| Yes, red label it! | ||
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WCollecbales private msg quote post Address this user | |
| While I do understand your frustration and also find it fairly foolish they don't offer a red-label program like CBCS - this is kind of your fault. CGC specifically states that they do not authenticate signatures unless they witnessed them (even if they have certificates), it's well known that they give green labels in these kind of situations and even reduce the grade, you should have done more research before sending it in. My suggestion would be yes, crack it and send it for a red label at CBCS. | ||
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ComicHaulics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Exactly what @WCollecbales said | ||
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Or sell it to me, I'll give ya $80 for it  |
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Tony Since it’s a green label then most likely the grade was not reduced because of the signature, legit or not. If you submitted the book yourself, I believe they give you free access to the grader’s notes. what do they say? | ||
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Deadpoolica private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Crack it | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Ahhh.... the great scheme that CGC has. This why I actually purchase green labels with "name" on front cover. All consumers know it's real; but CGC didn't witness it so y'never know!! (according to them) |
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 I'm a #2.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Ummm.... You do realize the outrageous amount of fraud in involved with the Autograph Markets of any hobby sector? That's the VERY reason these Third Party Graders have taken advantage of sucking fee's out of collectors for their verification services. "All consumers know it's real"? Are you Kidding me? I don't believe ANY consumers are that gullible. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Yes I understand the grandiosity of fraud. Here are my points with this particular comic: 1. Certificate of Authenticity from Midtown - pretty darn legit. I live in the NY area and have gone to the Midtown signings. They are as legit as can be when accompanied by a COA. 2. Brian K. Vaughn - When his signature barely increases the value of a comic, there is no incentive for anyone to mastermind his autograph. 3. Seek out other comics with a Brian K. Vaughan autograph and study it... study the various ones with yellow labels. If you're a fan of Brian K. Vaughan and compare side by side. I would give this #3 the least amount of value within the 3 items, but it is not insignificant. #4 Brian K. Vaughan does a bunch of conventions a year so he is on the convention circuit and not that hard to obtain. He is (thankfully) not deceased or a recluse like Ditko. When I combine all these probabilities - yea.... all consumers know this particular comic with this particular signature is real. |
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robertofredrico private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Tony "Bryan" K. Vaughan?! |
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Tony I will buy it as is. Are you selling? | ||
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neyko private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Brian is spelled differently than it is on the comic. Any reason for that? | ||
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Gabriel85301 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I can easily make these. LOL .  |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Gabriel85301 Good point! And my other 3 criteria? |
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| COA doesn't have a date...shouldn't it? I wold want Midtown to admit they goofed on these before believing this was legit. | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I love fear mongering in full display. It's such a wonderful sight. |
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| No date, plus name spelled wrong. I call BS on the whole thing. CGC made the right call. | ||
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Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Poor @Tony. We're bust in' his chops. I would ask midtown for a new coa with the correct spelling. That's unacceptable. I believe a movie is in the works? So if you're looking to flip this book I'd seriously check the graders notes to make sure the artists signature is considered a defect that's dropped e grade a whole point. It seems odd they would give you the qualified label and a grade hot. Can you post the notes here? I'm didn't look up the value of a 9.4 graded without sig, but is it worth e price of a red label, especially at the risk of a grade below 8.5? May be more profitable just to sell it raw. What's your plan for this comic? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Bah! It's not fear mongering if we know how easy it is to forge something. It decreases the number of people interested whether its real or not. Signatures devalue my desire to own a comic. Having a COA with a typo makes it even less desirable to me. |
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite This is actually the correct answer... CGC's qualified grade works like this: CGC ignores ONE defect that meets the criteria for falling into the qualified grade. Unwitnessed signatures being common. Other common "qualified" defects include a detached staple on the cover or detached centerfold, missing coupons or Marvel value stamps, a hole punched through the book or cover. The defect is ignored for the technical, numeric grade but the label is a green qualified label with the qualifying defect noted. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN 8.5 EVEN IF CGC HAD WITNESSED THE SIGNATURE. IT WOULD BE AN 8.5 YELLOW LABEL. AND IF THERE WAS NO SIGNATURE ON THE COVER, IT WOULD STILL BE AN 8.5 - BUT A BLUE LABEL. Because that's how qualified grade works. If sent to CBCS for their verified signature label - a program I like - the grade is likely to be less than 9.4. Hard to say what the grade will be because they are different grading companies. But grades are usually very similar. If sent to CBCS for a universal blue label (the signature not verified) the grade will actually be much worse than 8.5. Because CBCS doesn't have a "qualified" grade. If you don't pay to verify the signature then the signature is treated like writing on the cover. You are looking at 6.0-7.0 tops. Someone else mentioned looking at the grading notes. Perhaps having the book pressed and CBCS's verified signature program can get the book to where you think it should be. |
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I will never understand why anyone would want someone smearing their shitty signature all over the cover of a book  Essentially destroying the purity of the cover and overall condition of said book! It’s baffling to me on so many levels  |
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 lol |
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| @DocBrown Nice little video there. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 2. I’ve personally sold several signed BKV books for quite a bit more than equal grade blue labels of the same book. All were recorded by GPA so I’m sure it’s not difficult to find that his signature does add value. Like most other creators signatures though, it just has to be in the right book. 3. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here. Can you clarify? 4. Please let me know the “bunch” of conventions Brian has done lately, say in 2016 and 2017? I attend quite a few shows and have not seen him since the launch of Paper Girls in 2015 in NYC so I’d love to know what conventions I missed him at. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I am so entrenched in my position, even if you prove it and me wrong, I will not give it up because my belief in my position trumps your rationality and facts, thus making me a "useful idiot" to those who share my position. |
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1243782365 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If you look up other Midtown Comics COAs- They don't look like that. Could be an old COA but I doubt it. |
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Foghorn_Sam Basically summarizes our current culture as a country. Don’t think we will be going back to the “good old times” when people actually debated and respected each other’s opinions. Get used to the new norm  |
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Gabriel85301 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Today's Challenge..IF you choose to accept.. Lets make some MIDTOWN COAS |
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