Adam Hughes and the $1000 sketch4753
 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| Why is Mr Hughes not annoyed with the fact the comics stores charged 50x the price value of his work for Thor 700??? | ||
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Artu Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos Preach brother  |
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| As a business guy, this doesn't phase me in the slightest. If I can invest $1000, and get a $2000 profit, I'll keep doing it all day long. US automakers only make about $800 per car they produce, this is a bargain. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you on that. |
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| Isn't the main purpose of obtaining verified signatures or sketches, for resale? I mean, if you are just a fan boy of this or that artist. Why do you need it verified or certified, if you were standing there when he signed or sketched your comic cover? Not that there is anything wrong with any of that. 99% of the comic books I own, I bought with the hope of future financial gain. At least I admit it and don't give the ole "I've always been a huge fan of so and so and just wanted this for my collection" BS. Always, always, always follow the money. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak Not all of us buy comics hoping to sell them one day, some of us just like them for the stories/art/character. I like the look of slabs so, ones I really like I get slabbed & some I want yellow labels for. I'm sure I'm not alone in this thinking |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| @Deadpoolica They do tend to pile up. Even if you do not intend to sell them who is to say you won't change your mind later? You can bet that your loved ones will sell them when you are gone. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos Yeah, someone will sell them one day I'm sure lol Probably should've just stated I don't think gettin yellow labels & sketches are just purely for resale...we all have our reasons though right |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Deadpoolica Of course there are exceptions to every rule. But the vast majority of signature series or sketches encapsulated, are for monetary gain. Today or tomorrow. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak Agreed |
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| I would love to get several signatures at Rhode Island comicon but It's not worth my time anymore, prices being what they are...pretty disappointing. I can count the artists I'd pay for a signature on one hand at the moment. As for Adam Hughes's comment, It's his responsibility how to balance his asking price versus the demand for his sketches. Feel out the market and adjust prices accordingly. Act like you own a business. |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Not that I disagree with what has been said, but there is another side to this. I know Adam a bit and have actually gotten 5 commissions from him dating back to the early 90's. He used to do them at cons by listing your name on paper via lottery at the con. He was always trying to be "fan friendly" and give his fans an opportunity for a beautiful commission at a very affordable price. He would do these commissions early on in his career for $60, then $100 and then along came Ebay. And he saw what his so called fans were doing. Then the fateful day when an individual literally begged him as the biggest Hughes fan of all to do a wonder woman commission. Adam being nice did this wonder woman for him and this guy immediately put it up for sale on Ebay. This guy essentially lied big time to Adam and that ended the affordable commissions. Now he's still doing a commission facebook lottery which is where these 1000 dollar commissions come from... also for his "fans"... And then folks turn around and immediately sell them. It's a scenario that plays itself out over and over and over. It's a personal piece from an artist to a fan. Step outside your box for a minute and think how he might feel. I'm not here to say who is wrong or right or "market rules" or "what the market will bear... tough crap Adam"... or "I have health problems so I will do what I want". I'm just trying to enlighten with a different perspective.... the artist's perspective; not our own capitalistic perspective. |
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| This is because far too many of these creators think with their emotions, and not with their reason. Adam Hughes is offended, because he thinks HE deserves that money...deny it all he wants...and is jealous that other people A. ask more than he would, and B. actually get it occasionally. That's real, actual greed: thinking that someone else doesn't deserve what (you think) they get. That's the heart and soul of greed, not the "I want more!!!" nonsense that many have been spoonfed. No, it's "I don't think so and so deserves what they have!" that's actual greed. And what right of it is anyone's to determine what someone else does, or does not, deserve...? And, of course, Adam Hughes doesn't make the distinction between asking price and sale price...no, no! Critical thinking is for the birds! We must EMOTE! If customers stopped treating creators like gods, and started treating them like business peers, these things would happen less and less. If people took the time to explain these things to them, instead of fearing being "cut off", things might get better. |
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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| No aspect of this discussion really stirs me emotionally or mentally one way or another. Artists price their work at whatever price they chose. I and other would be fans/customers can buy, pass or offer less. The Zatanna sketch doesn't much impress me and I'd wouldn't be interested in at at $1K... But then art and what you like is a personal thing . Romitaman - along with as near as I can tell all of the big comic art dealers prices are all over inflated. I'm no expert on original art, I have dozen or so pieces. But it appears to me that all the dealers and many collectors selling price their stuff very high - with an expectation that a lot of deals will actually be a little bit of cash and a whole lot of trade. It's hard to figure out what comic art is really worth in cash. Which is why almost all of my art I have bought at auction. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Artu Good question, right...? Why isn't he annoyed with the fact that publishers pay him the equivalent of 25 cents a copy (or less; seldom more) for books that they sell for $1.75-$2.00 a copy...? Aren't the publishers (GASP!!) profiting off of his work...? What about the distributors...? Printers...? Retailers...? All (GASP!!!!) profiting off of HIS work! If HE wants all the money, HE should self-publish, self-print, self-distribute, and self-sell his own work. What...? He can't do that, and hope to get his work seen by the largest possible audience...? Well, I'll be! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 If Adam Hughes treated these situations as business transactions, he wouldn't....for his sake, mind you...get so upset at what people do afterwards. Is it nice to "do something nice for a fan"...? Of course. But this is a stranger in front of Hughes. Why is Hughes getting upset that some jagoff lied to him, but worse, choosing to take it out on everybody else...? After all...what ARE his "so called fans" doing...? Don't the circumstances matter...? And does Hughes know the circumstances...? This argument is an appeal to emotion, not reason. It's the reason why the vast, vast majority of the law-abiding have to suffer for the crimes of the very, very few. "This is why we can't have nice things", because people...like Hughes...emotionally overreact to single incidents, rather than realizing that there are crappy people who do crappy things, including lying to you about the disposition of an item. What evidence did Hughes have that the stranger standing in front of him was "the biggest Hughes fan of all time"...? Did he write letters of comment? Show Hughes pictures of his collection? Or did Hughes just take his word for it...? If so, who is to blame, the liar for lying, or Hughes for falling for it...? Hughes isn't stupid, and neither is his wife. There are ways for Hughes to shortcut this, and the healthiest is to simply have a price that he is comfortable with, that everyone has to pay, all the time. That way, when the transaction is over, it's over, and he doesn't have to agonize over whether people are telling him the truth or not. And, of course, if he wants to sell to "true fans" (whatever that nonsensical phrase means to him), then do things that only "true fans" would do: like having a minimum donation to a Hughes' favorite charity(ies), or a variety of other Hughes products that one must buy to qualify for the "free/discounted" sketch. A "true fan" wouldn't mind that...I know I wouldn't; I love Hughes art, and have since Justice League #40 (1990)...but the flippers will be naturally weeded out, because it no longer makes economic sense to them. After all...Hughes sells his own work for profit to the publishers. Why is he upset that others value his work so highly...? Why isn't he honored? (some people will find that question "offensive"; that proves their myopia.) I would be THRILLED if someone thought a quick sketch of mine was worth $3,000. His reaction is no different than me getting upset when someone buys something from me and then turns around and flips it for more money. I say "more power to them." They accomplished what I could not, for whatever reason. |
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In the "you're not a REAL fan" category: I have no intentions of selling this. Ever, for any reason. And I've had offers. It is one of the crown jewels of my collection. Someone would have to offer me ridiculous money...like $5,000-up money...to get me to even consider it. I got SIX Sandman #1s signed that weekend in 2013 at SDCC. I've long since sold the other 5, to pay for the ones I kept. This hobby is expensive, and I am an addict. But it's MY addiction, and I neither expect anyone to make allowances for it, NOR punish me for it. My circumstances are none of their concern, just like their circumstances are none of mine. I don't tell them what they should do with their property...they ought not be telling me what I can do with mine. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Wondering, is there any factual data (that pertains specifically to Adam) you are basing this presumption on, or is it purely emotional? I would be inclined to think quite the opposite (not about the money) based on what Adam's people have said, and the experience shared by @Nuffsaid111 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Yes:  There you go. That says it all, right there. I have no idea what the second half of your sentence means. Quote: Originally Posted by sb Read the above quote from Adam; it will clear up any confusion. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Going back to his original statement, I think he's just making sure he's telling all his facebook followers that he is going to have to raise his prices based on what he has observed; and please do not complain about that. I view this as informational. It seems as if he received complaints from followers when he raised prices to $1K. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by IronMan I mostly agree with this. I will always side with the artist in these situations. They can charge whatever they want, for whatever reason they want and people will either buy it or they won’t and the artist can / will adjust accordingly. |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 He doesn't really care about the fans. He cares about the amount of money he can sell a sketch for... the bottom line. That's quite evident. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 He doesn't have to. He chooses to. There's a gulf of difference between the two. "Have to" is weasel language (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/weasel%20word); the same type of language customer service reps use to placate angry customers: appealing to anonymous authority. "I would love to refund that charge you claim isn't legitimate, but I have to follow policy. I'm sure you understand." No one is forcing him to raise his prices. He chooses to, because he thinks the people reselling (or trying to resell) his work don't deserve the money he thinks they're getting. He spells it out in his post. Why should his customers not complain about it...? How will he know there's a problem, if no one says anything...? How will he know the extent of the problem, if people don't complain about it...? |
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| I had no idea we had mind readers in this group and know what Adam is thinking. Such a waste of talent in a Grading forum | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson For all we know he may derive a good amount of his income that way so I won’t hold it against him. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 It doesn't require mind reading. Adam (or Mrs. Adam) spells it out: "When I have to raise our prices to drive out the flippers..." What are they doing? Raising prices. Who benefits from them raising their prices? They do. Who do they want making the money, them or "the flippers"? Them. Nothing ambiguous about it. Adam (or Mrs. Adam) is plain as day. They can raise their prices to anything they want...but don't insult the collective intelligence of comicsdom by pretending that it's not about the money. Of course it is. It's always been about the money. |
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