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| Why don't we just change Abraham Lincoln to a black man in the history books. From now on, let's sing the theme song from the movie "Shaft" like this: "Who's the white private dick That's a sex machine to all the chicks? (Shaft)" And while we are at it. Let's change "the" Jesus to an illegal Mexican immigrant. Or, writers of comic books could just keep established characters as they are, and obviously meant to be in the first place (by the obvious reason that they were originally made that way by their creators). And create new characters that are just as interesting and original, in any gender, shape, creed, religion or nationality the new creator wants. But why take from me what I have grown to love, to give to someone that wants the same character but NOT the same? Give them, him, or her a new character. Just as capable, courageous and heroic as the original characters. I hope I explained that well, because I know the slings and arrows are coming. If someone says putting Captain America in a wheelchair forever is ridiculous. Ten people will jump on that person and try to show the world how much better of a person they are, than the person who said such a lousy thing. |
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| Well, until the Black Panther takes his mask off and is this guy..... clickable text |
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| @conditionfreak No one’s saying we should go back and change history. Making a new iteration of Snake Eyes that’s a woman isn’t going to change all the back issues to conform to that. And this idea that a character should stay as they are because they were created a certain way is ridiculous. Jean Grey was never meant to become Phoenix by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Deadpool wasn’t made as a fourth wall-breaking smart-ass. Bucky wasn’t created with the intention of becoming the Winter Soldier. Making Thor a woman didn’t erase Odinson from history. He even had his own concurrent series that explored what it meant to be worthy of the hammer to him. And yes, there should be more characters of different genders, ethnicities, creeds, etc, but that doesn’t preclude their experimentation or inclusion as part of the legacies of other mantles. And offers an opportunity for change and growth, not just for the character assuming the mantle but for the one who lost it. The responsibility of being Batman meant something different for Jean-Paul Valley than did his previous identity as Azrael. Additionally, being forced to give up the identity of Batman and his subsequent quest to reclaim it offered the Bruce Wayne and the audience a chance to reflect on what it means to be Batman. Again, I don’t mean that we should replace every single character but at the same time, when it happens, give it an honest chance and see if they do something interesting with the concept. |
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| @OrbitCityComics it is a $70 set from retail or $75 on ebay | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite + 1, What a great post! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite We are at an impasse. I want a divorce. Serious questions. Do you believe ANY of these changes increased readership of the characters who were changed? If so, why? If not, why the changes? Is it agenda driven, or the pursuit of more fans and therefore more money for the publishers? Or, as I believe, it is because it is easier to change a girl into a guy, than to come up with good stories. A lot less work. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak  |
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| He-Woman aka He-Man White Panther aka Black Panther Wonder Man aka Wonder Woman Rawhide Kid aka Rawhide Kid (okay, I'll concede that one as making some sense) Krypto the Superfish aka Krypto the Superdog The Turtle aka The Toad Tin Man aka Dr. Doom Funky Four aka Fantastic Four Beatrice Parker aka Peter Parker Uncle Ben aka Aunt Bee Uncle Goodie Good Two Shoes aka Uncle Scrooge Let's have some fun. I like this game |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak I think it's more to do with writers who can't come up with story ideas so they just do something derivative that takes no imagination. Some writers can't write stories about heroes that are incredibly powerful, so they have the hero lose their powers or have their powers greatly reduced. It's just lazy, unimaginative writing. |
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| Not to belittle anyone else's points, but I think @dielinfinite had some well-reasoned point-by-point responses in this thread. | ||
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| Good arguments and talking points by everyone methinks. | ||
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 Why just the women? I like bears.
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| There's a difference between expanding on a character & changing who that character is completely. I don't really like these "cash-grab" ideas that change characters completely. But that could just be because it isn't the same character I grew up with. Of course, the stories could very well be awesome ... I've never read any of them. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by jrs I agree with you . He did a good job presenting his side of the discussion. But I still want the divorce. Because his views are not my views on this subject. And NO ONE is 100% right, or wrong in this debate/discussion. No one can be. It is a matter of perspective and opinion. I don't like change, just for the sake of change. But some embrace change, just for the sake of change. On a side note. I finally got around to reading the death of Archie in the Life With Archie series. Very sad. I'm just glad they didn't change Betty and Veronica to Ben and Jerry. That would have taken another one of my fantasies away from me.  Good news is that no comic book characters EVER really die. They just take vacations from their work fighting crime or monsters. They deserve vacations now and then. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak I was actually pumped they took the Jane Foster Thor idea from the old What If?. Then they did an amazing job with it. I bought em up. Although with Thor it makes sense because it was about courage and inner strength making her worthy. Taking Snake Eyes and just throwing the costume on a woman and saying its lady Snake Eyes is a shameful way to make a "hot" issue. Snake Eyes isn't defined by his sword like Thor is by his/her hammer. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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@Jeremy_K You just described this established character and former member of the defenders: |
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| BTW the writer is Larry Hama. Same writer that did the Marvel series. | ||
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| @Oxbladder I was going to mention that, too... The whole series is a continuation of the Marvel series. That should make a difference to people. Larry Freaking Hama! Check it out. KRS has a Variant, too... Chad Hardin did the cover. https://krscomics.com/collections/gi-joe-246   |
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| Larry is the man but I just can't process this. @drchaos Never read the Defenders. I'll have to do some research. | ||
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jeremy_K I think the Hulk cover I posted was the first appearance. |
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| I looked through the character wiki page just for a brush up cause I'm familiar with her character in the Thor storyline. From the little I read it sounds like she embodied the folklore Valkyrie (Odinson's woman/assist). Jane Foster Thor actually flips those roles. Anyway I never knew she branched off in her own storylines beyond Thor; Thanks for enlightening me. I will keep an eye out at the comic shop (although I refuse to touch the stuff past the 90s). |
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| There are a handful of stories woven through Hulk, Sub-Mariner, and Dr. Strange that led up to the formation of the Defenders. The best known being Sub-Mariner #34 & #35. | ||
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