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 They had to go and make Snake Eyes a woman. Gi joe has always had strong female characters, Scarlett, Baroness, Cover Girl, Jinx, Zarana so I don't understand this. It was bad enough they had to kill off Snake Eyes but now you can't even respect his code name or the other female characters that have come before. |
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| oh wow that sucks now she's like a jennifer blood ripoff | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Next thing you know they'll make Thor a woman. | ||
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| What exactly is disrespectful about this? | ||
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| I dunno if that really grinds my gears all that much but it is definitely a cash grab by IDW. I grew up in the 80's. Snake Eyes, as a character when he was introduced when I was ...dunno, 7-9 years old, was the coolest GI Joe there was. A ninja, who never spoke, and had some kinda weird Samurai code of honor fued with Storm Shadow, his Cobra counter paet (who turned out to be Snake Eye's brother IIRC..... ...when I was a kid, everythinh about Snake Eyes was soooo effing cool. Just the fact that I can instantly recall the name "Storm Shadow" is something.🤣  That said, I have not read any G.I Joe comics in over 30 years. This reintroduction of Snake Eyes as a woman , is just a silly concept and mildly annoying. CAK Approval Rating:     |
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Does G.I. Joe have a sjw writer or something? I also preferred stormshadow  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing Word, brotha....Storm Shadow was cool. U have no idea who writes the book. I do not think it has anything to do with a "SJW writer". I think it is more like the basic kill off a character and reintroduce said character, with a new twist. Superman was killed off in 1994 and came back to life maybe 6 months later, with a new, poorly designed "90's era fashionable" costume. This just seems like more of the same of thst concept. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite Nothing, IMO. I'm not bent over this, I just think it is a lame idea. |
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| Is that cover Tyndall's art? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by mattness Yep - well recognised |
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| I don't think it should matter whether or not the character is female, the writer/creator's imagination as a person with different colored skin or a different gender isn't the problem...the problem is most re-imaginings are just not as good as the original(simply because they vary the nostalgia off the hinge). Whats really grinding your gears is the remake right? Not the fact that Snake Eyes was re-imagined as a woman? If you think the woman part is the problem, then the bigger problem is your narrow scope of acceptance. I could see that because a character is a different gender/another skin tone/tall/short/etc you could relate less - so my suggestion would be to just not read it & to reread some oldies or try another series. I'm hopeful that you are just angry at IDW for the change, regardless of what the specifics were. (it's anti-traditional, non-original, non-nostalgic, etc) Quote: Originally Posted by dielinfinite I second this.   |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| Taking an existing character and replacing them with a new diverse version (different race, gender, etc.) is a very lazy approach to promoting diversity in comics. It subtracts more than it adds by doing so at the expense of the history and continuity these characters have due to years of decades of great stories. Many of the best female characters I can think of started on the X-Men as the weakest link. Jean Grey as Marvel Girl started with more limited powers. Storm was sidelined by her claustrophobia in many of her earlier stories. Kitty Pride as the teenage X-Man didn't get to go on the more dangerous missions. Rogue started out as a villain and took time to get the trust of the X-Men. Mystique who is still a villain in the comics only recently started to take a leadership role in the movies. |
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| @drchaos You sir hit the nail on the head. I don't care that the made a new female character, I love the female characters of G.I. Joe, Baroness is my second favorite character after Snake Eyes. I think it does a disservice to all the female characters, that came before if you can't try and bank off his name to make a new character cool with own story and image. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by FrankCastle129 How did she become Snake Eyes? Is it Jinx just taking up his persona? |
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| @drchaos @FrankCastle129 See the thing about these arguments is that it falls apart once you look at other characters that have changed mantles. For example, there have been what? Four Robins in the main continuity? Each Robin has been a distinct, unique character that has been a part of great stories and has made their own contribution to the character’s mythology. But suddenly a character is replaced with one of a different gender or ethnicity and it’s now lazy, offensive, disrespectful? Yes, it’s a stunt to get attention, but that does not preclude the possibility of it leading to an interesting new version of the character with great stories and history of their own. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| @dielinfinite After 50 years they let Dick Grayson graduate from sidekick to Superhero much like Bucky becoming the Winter Soldier. Otherwise the multiple Robins have been a bit of a mess. Tim Drake (the first new Robin) was largely hated which led readers to vote for his death in Batman 429. We are talking about the Superheroes themselves. Look at the Flash. Before becoming the new Flash, Wally West was a sidekick for more than 25 years before getting the job due to Barry Allen's death during Crisis on Infinite Earths. Now the writers are just handing out Thor's hammer and Iron Man's armor like candy. It demonstrates a lack of effort, poor story telling, and a complete disregard for fans that have been buying the books for decades. |
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| @drchaos Yes Jason Todd was killed off, but those experiences as Robin informed his later development as the Red Hood. Tim Drake had a very long and popular tenure as Robin as part of the Teen Titans and young Justice. Carol Danvers was a supporting character alongside nearly the entire history of the original Captain Marvel and a superheroine in her own right before becoming Captain Marvel. Thor’s Hammer? Jane Foster had been a supporting character in the Thor comics for 52 years before she became Thor herself. Other characters taking up the Iron Man armor is nothing new either. James Rhodes became Iron Man for a short while when Tony relapsed into alcoholism which eventually lead to becoming his own hero, War Machine. I am not saying every instance will be well-written or lead to a great outcome. I’m saying that just because they’re having a character of a different gender or ethnicity take up the mantle it shouldn’t be cause for the kind of reaction we’ve been seeing. Heck, no one here is even talking about the new Snake Eyes, how she’s coming into the role, where her first adventure will take her, etc. Which could all be well done or they could not be. Instead, all that’s been said is that there’s a woman in the role now and how that’s enough to dismiss and deride the character. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| @dielinfinite Please tell me how being Don Blake's girlfriend could possibly prepare someone to become Thor. | ||
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| @drchaos The same way being a partially disabled doctor prepared Don Blake to become Thor Or being a high school student prepared Peter Parker to become Spider-Man |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| @dielinfinite So you were comparing apples to oranges. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos She could pick up Mjolnir. Isn't that pretty much what decides it? Quote: Originally Posted by drchaos He got killed off by a vote that has been reported to be 5,343 for, 5,271 against. That's 72 votes. That isn't being largely hated. Those that didn't like Tim seemed to be those that wanted him to be a clone of Dick Grayson. Tim wasn't. He was a character shaped by the direction comics where taking at the time. People couldn't seem to get their heads around that and that Batman wasn't able to control him like he had been able to control Dick Grayson. |
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| My guess was going to be metal shavings based upon the title of the thread. As a general rule, I don't like the idea of different people assuming the role of a masked character. It waters down & sometimes negates the significance of characters that earned their place in comics history. If anyone can wear the mask or take the name of a character, why should I think any specific one of them is significant? |
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| Where can I buy that set? | ||
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| @OrbitCityComics It isn't cheap | ||
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| here u go brah | ||
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| Why don't we just change Abraham Lincoln to a black man in the history books. From now on, let's sing the theme song from the movie "Shaft" like this: "Who's the white private dick That's a sex machine to all the chicks? (Shaft)" And while we are at it. Let's change "the" Jesus to an illegal Mexican immigrant. Or, writers of comic books could just keep established characters as they are, and obviously meant to be in the first place (by the obvious reason that they were originally made that way by their creators). And create new characters that are just as interesting and original, in any gender, shape, creed, religion or nationality the new creator wants. But why take from me what I have grown to love, to give to someone that wants the same character but NOT the same? Give them, him, or her a new character. Just as capable, courageous and heroic as the original characters. I hope I explained that well, because I know the slings and arrows are coming. If someone says putting Captain America in a wheelchair forever is ridiculous. Ten people will jump on that person and try to show the world how much better of a person they are, than the person who said such a lousy thing. |
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| Well, until the Black Panther takes his mask off and is this guy..... clickable text |
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| @conditionfreak No one’s saying we should go back and change history. Making a new iteration of Snake Eyes that’s a woman isn’t going to change all the back issues to conform to that. And this idea that a character should stay as they are because they were created a certain way is ridiculous. Jean Grey was never meant to become Phoenix by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Deadpool wasn’t made as a fourth wall-breaking smart-ass. Bucky wasn’t created with the intention of becoming the Winter Soldier. Making Thor a woman didn’t erase Odinson from history. He even had his own concurrent series that explored what it meant to be worthy of the hammer to him. And yes, there should be more characters of different genders, ethnicities, creeds, etc, but that doesn’t preclude their experimentation or inclusion as part of the legacies of other mantles. And offers an opportunity for change and growth, not just for the character assuming the mantle but for the one who lost it. The responsibility of being Batman meant something different for Jean-Paul Valley than did his previous identity as Azrael. Additionally, being forced to give up the identity of Batman and his subsequent quest to reclaim it offered the Bruce Wayne and the audience a chance to reflect on what it means to be Batman. Again, I don’t mean that we should replace every single character but at the same time, when it happens, give it an honest chance and see if they do something interesting with the concept. |
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| @OrbitCityComics it is a $70 set from retail or $75 on ebay | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite + 1, What a great post! |
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