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Originally Posted by DrWatson
The Pressing Police are watching...

Seriously...
You ask one completely relevant question to the thread (grade movement) but in relation to "water" ...which I can only assume must be a big part of "pressing" since @CFP_COMICS went full police officer on me.

We have all these parameters about how certain creases/blunted corners/color fading/etc impact the grade as measurable tangibles for grading...

...but when it comes to WATER apparently it's hush-hush and a no-no discussion. I am not allowed to ask anyone about how a water droplet, or the humidity in the air, or even a water soaked book has it's grade impacted?

Clearly there must be some measurement that exists as CBCS/CGC must use something to gauge book defects in relation to water. Kind of like how we look at creasing or tears and measure 1/4 inch, 1/2 inch, a full inch, etc. No?

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Originally Posted by Drogio
I believe the answer is "no" because water stains are not considered restoration...they're considered a defect. Now, if somehow being soaked in water improved the condition of your comic....well, then lucky you! Not sure how that can happen without some sort of pressing technique ....again, Still not restoration.

Thank you, this is the straight-forward answer I was looking for. I agree, and that's probably why @CFP_COMICS is skeptical of my generic question, he's a presser that must use certain amounts of water he doesn't want me to know. (his trade secrets)

@CFP_COMICS do you work for CBCS? I am not sure how you are allowed to advertise your services with your logo and you pretty much post on every grade/pressing-related thread on this forum - yet I am not allowed to ask a water grade question LOL. That's why I went to you in the 1st place with my questions, since it seemed like a waste of time to call CBCS to ask about water/stains when they are 1) extremely busy 2) want to be paid for their time instead of explaining processes. I thought you were just a regular guy who knew a lot about managing comic book defects but it seems like you are apart of the "in-crowd for CGC/CBCS pressing" which means QUESTIONS ARE OFF LIMITS!

8 years ago

@Drogio

This was the section I was referring to from CGC's website (I couldn't find one for CBCS - but it may exist).

" An Overview of Comic Book Restoration
CLEANED (lightened). An aqueous process to lighten the paper color or remove soluble acids, often using chemical oxidation, solvents, or water. "

We can conclude this:

Damage(spills/stains), usage(humidity/pressing), or presence(droplet/air moisture) of water on a comic book DOES NOT mean it's restored.
However, if some part of the book is LIGHTENED by water than it is restoration.
(or all of this is BS and CGC's website is out-dated)

We can further conclude these 2 things...

1) Don't ask any person or business that does "pressing" for answers about H20+Grading(apologies @CFP_COMICS & @CBCS - I do not wish to reveal your super trade secret hidden lunar base where you stash the rebel forces).
2) There is no tangible guideline for water impact(searched:stain) on books other than for FAIR grade(CBCS Website): "Soiling, staining, tears, markings or chunks missing will interfere with reading."

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	Quote: Originally Posted by comic_book_man I have a book with some water stains and a few soaked in a flood just wondering if they'll be considered restored or not if I get them pressed by CBCS. I believe the answer is "no" because water stains are not considered restoration...they're considered a defect. Now, if somehow being soaked in water improved he condition of your comic....well, then lucky you! Not sure how that can happen without some sort of pressing technique ....again, Still not restoration.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics Ok...there has been talk or talk around if water stains can be removed and not considered restoration. Anyone know if a book such as this (stain is about thumb size) can be remedied?? Only on the back cover - does not affect interior pages. Sort of. This book might not have hope. There are methods not mentioned here that could be done on white covers that work wonders. But stains like that are impossible to remove completely without professionals using restoration chemicals. See example below: the stains are still there: my bone #1 breaks my heart when i see the stain on the cover, inside and out:
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	@kaptainmyke kind of figured - was only $20 bucks - couldn't resist Not sure what the stain does to the grade but it still looks great!!
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	ooooo coool cover!
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	Where's the stain???
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	Interesting.
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Collector 25.63K	25.63K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	@comic_book_man Joe is actually a regular guy but he is a New Yorker. I am sure if you met him over beer and pizza (New York style of course) it would be a cool discussion.
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	@Drogio This was the section I was referring to from CGC's website (I couldn't find one for CBCS - but it may exist). " An Overview of Comic Book Restoration CLEANED (lightened). An aqueous process to lighten the paper color or remove soluble acids, often using chemical oxidation, solvents, or water. " We can conclude this: Damage(spills/stains), usage(humidity/pressing), or presence(droplet/air moisture) of water on a comic book DOES NOT mean it's restored. However, if some part of the book is LIGHTENED by water than it is restoration. (or all of this is BS and CGC's website is out-dated) We can further conclude these 2 things... 1) Don't ask any person or business that does "pressing" for answers about H20+Grading(apologies @CFP_COMICS & @CBCS - I do not wish to reveal your super trade secret hidden lunar base where you stash the rebel forces). 2) There is no tangible guideline for water impact(searched:stain) on books other than for FAIR grade(CBCS Website): "Soiling, staining, tears, markings or chunks missing will interfere with reading."
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	I think everyone is way over thinking this water stain thingy. If you have someone who can remove pencil and ink (refer to page 1) then I'll just say they probably have a high probability of removing a simple water stain. Its not the water that stains, its the impurities with whatever was in the water/liquid. Figure out what is likely causing the stain and then... I'll leave it at that. Oh and stick with a professional.
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	So I took a bunch of books to The Comic Doctor, our local pressing guy here where I am (Ontario). Most were already graded books and I wanted his opinion before handing them over to be cracked, pressed/cleaned and re-graded. One book in particular with Avengers #1, CBCS 6.0. The cover and back could use some pressing for sure, but he told me that he was shocked that CBCS gave me a 6.0 on the book due to a Loonie sized water stain on the back cover. I honestly had no idea how that affected grading and he said this is not something he could take out or clean so he suggested I leave it as is and sell it as is. I do want to upgrade the book eventually if possible.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by comic_book_man Quote: Originally Posted by poka @comic_book_man Joe is actually a regular guy but he is a New Yorker. I am sure if you met him over beer and pizza (New York style of course) it would be a cool discussion. Haha NO WONDER !! I'm a Chicago guy @ heart, love that deep dish. @CFP_COMICS is just out to get me! But then again, I love all pizza, and beer, and comics. @CFP_COMICS again, I am not trying to obtain your pressing secrets. I do however like to pick your brain if I can, for grading-related opinion/knowledge. I don’t have the time to address this fully at the moment, but I will later today. But to give a quick answer there is a world of difference between a wet book and a properly hydrated book. Giving a book a bath would be on the restoration/conservation side of the fence. More later. p.s. I like both kinds of pizza (NY and Chicago style), but Neopolitan is my favorite.
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