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| I can't seem to find a definitive answer to what was the first appearance of The Walking Dead (10/03)? Capes (9/03) is listed as a 5 page "Walking Dead Preview". Wouldn't that count? Thanks! | ||
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| @OGJackster I think The First Appearance of the book itself would be in "Preview" of Capes #1 - often times listed as "Cameo" but...typically it's the characters in the book that are listed as 1st Appearance/Cameo so if you just mean the undead/walkers/biters/etc then I would think that all comes down to The Walking Dead #1 (2003) still, although you may get a glimpse of them in Capes #1 it's not "officially a 1st appearance". Did I understand your question correctly? (sorry if not)  |
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| Depends on how you look at it. The previews that appear in Capes #1 and Agents #6, which came out the same month, are just the first few pages of WD #1. They don't contain "original" work, so wouldn't have been considered an appearance until the madness of the last couple of years or so, whereby anything and everything appearing "in print" first is considered a "first appearance." If you REALLY want to get silly...and I'm amazed that this is even a thing...the "first" appearance of Walking Dead in print was in Previews magazine, two months before the book came out. Too funny. |
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I always wondered about this. Some previews spoil new characters so TECHNICALLY would that be their first cameo??? Hopefully the whole realm of collecting doesn’t shift to collecting previews!!!!  |
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| @stevericketts does CBCS specifically put the first appearance on a particular book for TWD? If so which one? Thanks! | ||
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| I think they only put "1st Appearance" of popular characters. Like originally CGC only had 1st appearance of Rick Grimes for TWD#1 before they added a bunch more to the list now. | ||
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| I think it's safe to assume the 1st appearance of anything related to TWD#1 is in fact TWD#1 - anything before is just a cameo/preview and nothing more. | ||
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| Refer to the Good Morty thread. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak It's 7 pages, what are you referring to? There's no reference to TWD? |
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| @OGJackster @conditionfreak I think he is referring to how sometimes it can change, in this case it isn't a preview or a cameo but like a mini comic that was not considered until recently. Still, cameos/previews differ from 1st appearances BUT sometimes a book can get missed, in this case The Good Morty. It's different than what you are asking but @conditionfreak is just giving some perspective on how 1st appearances can change. |
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| Yea, the professional grading companies have decided that "The Good Morty" pamphlet that came with random Rick and Morty first season DVD's, is "officially" the first appearance, and NOT Rick and Morty #1. Which everyone believed was the first appearance until a few days ago. Some people invested heavily in the #1 issue, unaware of the pamphlet. And the pamphlet is not a comic book in the strictest sense of the word, IMO. And neither is "Previews". Cause then the first appearance of Batman or Superman could be some unpopular comic that happened to have an ad about Action #1 or Tec #27 coming soon". And as a side note, apparently this pamphlet is being counterfeited a lot. But I digress. So, even though Hulk #180 is the first appearance of Wolverine, the hobby has determined that #181 is the book to climb up and up the financial ladder. There are no clear cut answers apparently. The members of the hobby (us) will eventually determine what is what. First appearance, first full appearance, first mention, first appearance in costume, cameo appearance, or just a hand appearance. Finkle we are. And the pro-grading companies will conform to the masses eventually. I THINK. |
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| So if we REALLY want to get technical..... I present to you the Original Walking Dead from 1989. In which Jim Somerville's Artwork makes todays Modern version look like stick drawings IMHO      |
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Quote:Originally Posted by comic_book_man Good Morty was a comic with original art & story, that preceded R&M #1. The Capes,and the other book DB mentioned, contained a few pages in a preview form, of WD#1. This is not remotely the same. You can probably get a WD completist to cough up $100 or $200 for either of those 2 preview books, in 9.8 slabs. Just like Absolute Vertigo #NN, has a few preview pages of Preacher #1. 6 pages of unoriginal, promotional material has never been, and never will be, considered a first appearance, of any character. |
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OGJackster private msg quote post Address this user | |
After digging a little more, Capes #1 and Agents #6 came out the same time. I'm now guessing there won't be an official first appearance. https://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/archive/2003/100803.txt |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids I don't have a dog in this fight, and never will. But your hard and steadfast stance about a preview form not being original artwork and story, intrigues me. So you're saying that the first publishing of a comic book story and art, are NOT using original artwork and story. But that the second use of that same artwork and story ARE using original artwork and story? So, the first public showing of a 2018 Chevy Camaro at a car show is NOT the first public unveiling of that car, but the first time one is actually for sale at a dealership, IS the first unveiling of that car? Even though many people may have already sat in one at the "preview" or unveiling. In other words, a first is not a first. A preview is not a first. A sample or preview is not a first use of original artwork and story. An unveiling of something new, is NOT the first appearance of that story, artwork or car. But a second use of that same story and artwork IS a first? I don't want to come across as snarky, so I will stop right here. Like I said. The hobby as a whole will sort it out. |
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So a preview is in all actuality could be the first appearance but doesn't really count because it's not in the titled book. Also, a cameo or preview and a 1st appearance are all the same exact thing only different. I think I got it. |
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| It's been long, long, LONG established that "previews" are not considered "first appearances." It's only been in the last couple of years that the madness of saying "wherever the character first appeared, REGARDLESS of context, is the "FIRST APPEARANCE"!!" If that were the case, then Action #12 is the first appearance of Batman:  Comic books are a storytelling medium. Appearances have always been considered in that light. If a book prints the first few pages of the "actual" book ("the actual series" or not), and there's nothing different about that preview from the eventual "actual" book, then it's not the first appearance. If, however, in the context of a story, a character or characters appear in another book first....like, for example, Thor #411-412...then yes, that IS a "real" first appearance, because it's in the context of a story. Granted...I understand the push for this preview nonsense to be considered "FIRST APP, FIRST APP!" because: $$$, but that's not the way the collecting industry has historically considered these things, and it doesn't follow logically. "But it's the first time they saw print!!!"...but comics aren't a PRINT industry (bear with me, now!)...they are, first and foremost, a STORYTELLING industry, so context absolutely matters. Unfortunately, if the dopes have their way, then Action #12 should be the first appearance of Batman, and Tec #27 should get a lot cheaper. |
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| Every rose has a thorn and every rule has an exception. Hulk 180 anybody? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Or maybe not:   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Very true. And do not forget DC Presents 26 which is the exact same instance as TWD. It was a preview insert that featured the first 16 pages of New Teen Titans 1. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown  An this would be Jonah Hex's first appearance. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Squack No. The story in DCP #26 is original to DCP #26. |
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As far as I can tell Menace #5 (Jul 1953) is the first Zombie in comics. Specifically, I was referencing the first appearance of The Walking Dead in Image Comics. The Aircel Walking Dead looks really cool thought   |
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