CGC says "GOOD MORTY" is 1st appearance now.4564

Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by joephizz
@shrewbeer I believe DocBrown was just suggesting there could have been more than one authorized print run, perhaps from multiple printers.

It's not beyond comprehension that a proportion of one specific batch could have fallen into the wrong hands, prompting the idea to create a knock-off blu-ray with case, covers etc. and then inserting the stolen (authorized) copies of the comic.

Potentially far fetched but not impossible!

Exactly. The only people making the decision about how and where they're printed officially are the copyright holders...I don't know, someone else can say, but I imagine that would be adult swim and/or the creators. They can decide what they want to have printed, where, when, and how, with a phone call.

With the digitization of art, it's as easy as a call to order a different batch.

But remember Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is usually the right one. While it's possible that another batch was obtained by bootleggers, is it also possible that the "bootleg" copies were simply additional

Yes, I know that re-writable DVDs and blurry print graphics on the package are nearly 100% "bootleg" giveaways. I'm not doubting that...just raising the question of "what if...?"

Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer

@DocBrown, Claiming "authorized" printed books in illegally printed media is laughable. Are you saying someone "authorized" a print run for fake dvds?

No, and you could do a lot better if you didn't call the points other people make "laughable." That doesn't advance the discussion; it's just getting your digs in.

Originally Posted by shrewbeer
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer

@DocBrown, Claiming "authorized" printed books in illegally printed media is laughable. Are you saying someone "authorized" a print run for fake dvds?

No, and you could do a lot better if you didn't call the points other people make "laughable." That doesn't advance the discussion; it's just getting your digs in.

Thought the notion was funny. Would you prefer I abreviate it to "lol"?

I think I've done plenty in this thread to advance the discussion. There's no need for you to take things so personal... PLEASE dont get this thread locked; back on topic, shall we? ❤

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by joephizz
@DocBrown I have been thinking the same thing as more info about the actual comics comes to light. I wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple sources for printing, each with a slight difference.

Another thing I've noticed about almost all the comics is how precise and straight the staples are. I'm perhaps being naive but I imagine anyone bootlegging the comics (back when they were thought to be worthless) would be stapling the books by hand and therefore we'd see at least some books with wonky staples.

Anyone bootlegging the DVD or Blu-Ray would have access to equipment that would staple the books via a machine.

Basically, anyone who works at a print shop, who is an experienced 1st or even 2nd Press Operator ( the trade term is 1st or 2nd Pressman) could produce the apparently bootlegged DVD/Blu-Ray sets with the apparently bbootlegged Good Morty.

The problem with that scenario is who is in control of the original art? If you don't have access to the digital files of the original art...or the original art itself, if it exists in physical format...then you're going to have more problems than it's worth to "bootleg" these tracts.

Again: there was no financial motive to do so. So, those of you in the "fake copies" camp are going to have to come up with a plausible motive for why anyone would do it...and "total authenticity" isn't plausible, because it's more trouble than it's worth, just to include something that is basically a throwaway insert before last week.

Think about it: why do you think bootleg DVDs almost universally LOOK "bootlegged"?

It's because someone used 2nd generation scans of the finished DVD case, which resulted in degradation. And, in addition, they used cheap, re-writeable DVDs...not "official product" DVDs.

If that's the case with a bootleg DVD...it's certainly going to be the case with a bootleg tract. If the bootleggers didn't go to the trouble of making a high quality copy of the original, enough to fool even sharp eyed observers...why on earth would they go to the much more trouble of printing off Good Mortys...?

I have two pet theories on this whole Good Morty issue.

One of the two theories is the post above of yours, that I just replied to with "DB, agreed with you on this 100%".

The 2nd pet theory is:

that maybe a 1st pressman realized that he could manipulate the market, 2 months ago.

Said pressman, would have incrementally printed off a few hundred DVD/Blu-Ray , over the course of the past month or several months, BEFORE this anonymous phone call to CGC...was made to....than after spreading the word via Facebook, creating the potential for Good Morty's to sell for hundreds of dollars overnight.....and than they could sell them on ebay, factory sealed with no indication they may or may not contain Good Morty , at $20 or less, a pop......and still cash out , BEFORE graded copies hit the market.

The same pictures were used in the first few eBay sales of Good Morty's, FWIW.

A month of incrementally printing out a total of 500 of these , would lead to the ability to sell say a 100 Good Morty's in raw/unslabbed at $100-$500 a pop.

This hysteria would allow them to dump the rest of the bootlegged copies onto eBay at $10-$20 a pop.

So the individual(s) woukd cash in immediately via big number sales.....and than the remainder of shrinkwrapped copies, would be sold balls cheap on eBay.With the faked Good Morty included.

Speculator buys 1 set or 2, than whamm-o....they buy more, and than all of the duped Good Morty DVD/BLU-RAY sets are sold through, BEFORE CGC/CBCS grades any as counterfeits.


Either scenario is equally plausible.

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by joephizz
@DocBrown I have been thinking the same thing as more info about the actual comics comes to light. I wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple sources for printing, each with a slight difference.

Another thing I've noticed about almost all the comics is how precise and straight the staples are. I'm perhaps being naive but I imagine anyone bootlegging the comics (back when they were thought to be worthless) would be stapling the books by hand and therefore we'd see at least some books with wonky staples.

Anyone bootlegging the DVD or Blu-Ray would have access to equipment that would staple the books via a machine.

Basically, anyone who works at a print shop, who is an experienced 1st or even 2nd Press Operator ( the trade term is 1st or 2nd Pressman) could produce the apparently bootlegged DVD/Blu-Ray sets with the apparently bbootlegged Good Morty.

The problem with that scenario is who is in control of the original art? If you don't have access to the digital files of the original art...or the original art itself, if it exists in physical format...then you're going to have more problems than it's worth to "bootleg" these tracts.

Again: there was no financial motive to do so. So, those of you in the "fake copies" camp are going to have to come up with a plausible motive for why anyone would do it...and "total authenticity" isn't plausible, because it's more trouble than it's worth, just to include something that is basically a throwaway insert before last week.

Think about it: why do you think bootleg DVDs almost universally LOOK "bootlegged"?

It's because someone used 2nd generation scans of the finished DVD case, which resulted in degradation. And, in addition, they used cheap, re-writeable DVDs...not "official product" DVDs.

If that's the case with a bootleg DVD...it's certainly going to be the case with a bootleg tract. If the bootleggers didn't go to the trouble of making a high quality copy of the original, enough to fool even sharp eyed observers...why on earth would they go to the much more trouble of printing off Good Mortys...?

I have two pet theories on this whole Good Morty issue.

One of the two theories is the post above of yours, that I just replied to with "DB, agreed with you on this 100%".

The 2nd pet theory is:

that maybe a 1st pressman realized that he could manipulate the market, 2 months ago.

Said pressman, would have incrementally printed off a few hundred DVD/Blu-Ray , over the course of the past month or several months, BEFORE this anonymous phone call to CGC...was made to....than after spreading the word via Facebook, creating the potential for Good Morty's to sell for hundreds of dollars overnight.....and than they could sell them on ebay, factory sealed with no indication they may or may not contain Good Morty , at $20 or less, a pop......and still cash out , BEFORE graded copies hit the market.

The same pictures were used in the first few eBay sales of Good Morty's, FWIW.

A month of incrementally printing out a total of 500 of these , would lead to the ability to sell say a 100 Good Morty's in raw/unslabbed at $100-$500 a pop.

This hysteria would allow them to dump the rest of the bootlegged copies onto eBay at $10-$20 a pop.

So the individual(s) woukd cash in immediately via big number sales.....and than the remainder of shrinkwrapped copies, would be sold balls cheap on eBay.With the faked Good Morty included.

Speculator buys 1 set or 2, than whamm-o....they buy more, and than all of the duped Good Morty DVD/BLU-RAY sets are sold through, BEFORE CGC/CBCS grades any as counterfeits.


Either scenario is equally plausible.

Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Fewer assumptions made = anything in a fake case is fake.

Anything beyond that is, although possible, speculating conspiracy

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
In addition to, or rather, to respond to the issue DB raised about the original art issue ....I am not sure about that.

I am not sure about anything yet,
other than if an individual was suave enough, to figure out the potential for the second scenario, and was a Pressman by trade...or perpetuated this scam with a friend of his who made his living as a Pressman, the financial motive clearly outweighs the work involved. This is thousands of dollars, in pure profit, not accounting for eBay and PayPal fees.

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
DB...the primary reason why I think both scenarios are equally plausible, is that a hefty profit motive exists, for the second scenario.

A supporting point for the second scenario is that the request to CGC for a label update on the Good Morty book was made via a phone call, which could be done anonymously, using a $20 burner pre-paid cell phone.

If the request was made via CGCForum's "Ask CGC" subforum, that would involved a traceable trail.

Even if an individual created a CGCForum board account, and went so far as to use a Proxy IP address, that could conceivably be tracked down by a CGC moderator, if the CGC moderator had reason to believe this was a scam.CGC and CBCS now have reason to believe such a label update inquiry request is market manipulation.

They would not have known this, BEFORE this CBCS thread came into being, or even up to a few days ago.

Ostensibly, using a $25 burner cell phone to get this snowball rolling, eliminates any risk of being caught red handed.

Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
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Originally Posted by Savage_Spawn
Probably the funnest thread going right now. Rick N Morty type comic, annimation, humor is not my cup of tea. But I am a gambler and ordered 3 season 1s from Amazon (which I blame everyone in this thread for) which should be arriving next week. Can't wait to see my roll of the dice!!!

They have to be original season 1 dvd or bluray sets sold in 2015-2016. Anything now is considered a second or third pressing of the discs and the comic book is not inside of the current ones at market.

Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Fewer assumptions made = anything in a fake case is fake.

Anything beyond that is, although possible, speculating conspiracy