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Originally Posted by KingNampa
@Homer Ya I agree. Also I didn't mention this before I had a promo from ebay. Sell 10 items with NO Final Value Fees. So I sold that X-men with ZERO ebay fees.

Theoretically, if I sold it for $4k. The ebay+paypal fees would have been $520 on a normal ebay sale, $3480 net.

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids


KingNampa, it would have been nice of you to post up that promo, BEFORE, the fact.Not after the promo ended.

Just sayin.

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by KingNampa
@Homer Ya I agree. Also I didn't mention this before I had a promo from ebay. Sell 10 items with NO Final Value Fees. So I sold that X-men with ZERO ebay fees.

Theoretically, if I sold it for $4k. The ebay+paypal fees would have been $520 on a normal ebay sale, $3480 net.

KingNampa, it would have been nice of you to post up that promo, BEFORE, the fact.Not after the promo ended.

Just sayin.

Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Oh god. Doc calling FDR terrible, CAK calling him Bernie...

It's always interesting to see the far left and far right offer up their absolutes

Originally Posted by DocBrown
And CAK...regardless of your ideological views, the fact is, the presidency and the federal gov't have far, far, far too much power...power that was NEVER intended by the Founders, and was SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED by them in the Constitution...which is now ignored, because, hey, if they can abuse power against me, I can abuse power in my favor, right...?

I don't trust you. I don't trust SB. I don't trust any of you to run my life better than I can. And you ought not trust me to run YOUR lives.

And yet, that's the situation we have now, where the citizenry has freely handed over their rights in favor of "security"...economic "security", social "security", religious "security", etc...and told politicians...every one of whom is corrupt..."you deal with it, I just want to play my Call of Duty."

The US will fall from within, not from without.

Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Oh god. Doc calling FDR terrible, CAK calling him Bernie...

It's always interesting to see the far left and far right offer up their absolutes

Couple of things in response:

1. I am not a member of the "far right." Most people in the US who use that term have no real conception of what "far right" actually means, because of the corruption of its use by the Left and its "mainstream" media spokesmen. The political spectrum is not a line...it is a circle. The "far left" and the "far right" meet at the top, advancing the same goals...Statism...through different means. At the bottom is the INDIVIDUALIST, those who recognize that freedom works best when INDIVIDUAL...NOT majority and minority...rights are preserved and defended.

2. FDR was a terrible president. He was an elitist who thought that having compassion for people meant forcing the rest of the people, at gunpoint (because that is what taxation is) to pay for them, creating a welfare state with implications that echo down the decades. And, if people didn't agree with them, he'd simply pack the courts to get his way. He threatened to expand the Supremes from 9 to 13, something no other president before him had done, just so he could pick as many of them as possible. Before FDR...really, before his cousin, Teddy...the Presidency did NOT have the power it has now. FDR seized that power, and all presidents since, to one degree or another, have maintained it.

Read what I said again, and absorb it: FDR put people of asian, specifically Japanese, descent IN CAMPS for the duration of the war. That fact ALONE...usually ignored...puts him in the position of a "terrible president who abused and expanded his power to take away the rights of US CITIZENS."

Let me say that again: FDR put US CITIZENS of Japanese descent INTO PRISON CAMPS for the "crime" of being of Japanese descent.

Let me say it one more time: Franklin Delano Roosevelt put UNITED STATES CITIZENS into PRISON CAMPS because of their RACE.

That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

Put down the books we all read in grade school, and pick up books that offer a critical analysis of the man. He's not a god. He was just as flawed as the rest of us.

Measured responses, SB.

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
Franklin Delano Roosevelt demonstrated this by abolishing monopolies during his tenure as our President, this is historical fact.

Good thing there aren't any more monopolies around. ...Diamond?

Monopolies came back in full swing, starting with deregulation of campaign finance laws, in 1976's via U.S. Supreme Court decision in Buckley vs. Cameo.

This decision deregulated campaign finance laws, which FDR , and his cabinet, were chiefly responsible for putting into place via anti-trust laws.

FDR broke up the monopolies in all industries.

FDR, was so popular that he held THREE four year terms as President, which prompted conservatives to introduce a bill to restrict presidential term limits to two 4 year terms.
..because they knew they would never regain a majority of the public's votes, if Democratic socialism, which is a system of government designed to favor the working class and the poor, was allowed to grow.

FDR, was the Bernie Sanders, of his time.

Eisenhower, a Republican, was next elected as President.

He was nearly as progressive as FDR.

Due to the overwhelming majority of Americans favoring liberal (progressive) economic policies.

Democratic socialism, is what brought our country out of the Great Depression, and allowed the working poor and middle class to actually prosper.If you worked hard, you earned a decent living.

If it was not for FDR, there would be no 40 hour work week, today. There would be no Social Security, today.He put child labor laws into place.He was responsible for instituting those policies.

The social climate in the U.S, of the time, was still anti-immigrant and racism was much more prevalent than it is today.

FDR and his cabinet, did as much as could be done, in that period of history, to help immigrants.

He also fought against discrimination against blacks, which segregation laws,which the south held onto like grim death, made very difficult ....intil Kennedy reversed segregation laws, along with Dr. Martin Luther King and all other Americans who wanted equal rights for blacks.Kennedy was not a bigot himself, but the civil rights movement surely forced his hand.Kennedy was in favor of the Vietnam War, he was no saint.

But he was not a corrupt scumbag, like Nixon.

Things chiefly started to go downhill for this country with Nixon's election as President.

Nixon's selection for a US Supreme Court judge, and the subsequent appointment of Nixon's pick to the US Supreme Court, was distinctly what almostly entirely reversed FDR's anti-trust laws, this was made possible in the US Supreme Court 1972 ruling n Buckley v. Valeo.

Nixon made crony capitalism possible again, through deregulation of the key campaign finance laws , visa via the role he played in Buckley v Valeo.

This opened the valve for wide spread corruption in U.S. politics.

After Jimmy Carter, who was the last uncorrupted Democrat to hold the office of President, our country has declined, overall.

Reagon came along , things got worse.
We had more of the same with Bush (Sr.)

Bill Clinton came along and as a bought and paid for candidate, he repealed Glass-Stegal whuch deregulated Wall Street.

Bill Clinton did what Reagon and Bush Sr., could not accomplish.

This repealment of Glas-Steagal by a corporate funded Democratic president , along with Reagon's trickle down economic theories (not to mentiin Reagon's) despicable use of the blatantly racist "southern strategy" to win his first election, along with both Gerge Bush Sr. and G.B. Jr's terms in office....these 4 Presudents, is what caused the crash of 2007.

The only U.S. President within a century, who did not want America involved in unnecessary wars,after WWE 2 and the Korean war, both of which were neccesary wars, was Jimmy Carter.

Carter was the last truly decent President that we had.

Fast forward, and you have President Obama, who I voted for in 2008.I was duped, like most of the country by his rhetoric of breaking up the banks and his apparent, fairly progressive platform towards wall street regulations.He did at least tighten up environmental regulations , but ultimately, he was nothing more than a City Bank funded hack, who let Steve Menuchin and all of the others who profited off of America's recession, off the hook.

Fast forward to 2010, Obama effectively (by not appointing a progressive judge to the US Supreme Court) allows the U.S. Supreme Court to rule in favor of Citizens United in 2010.

This blew the floodgates wide open for even greater, and deeply entrenched systemic corruption of how our government operates today.

During Obama's tenure,and by the end, he basically handed the keys over to conservatives, to the Senate and Congress.

That is what corporate funded Democrats do. They are paid to lose.


To end this goddamn treatise, 93% of Americans want money out of politics.


Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician, by far....even among Republicans.

This indicates that the majority of Americans believe in a government system of Democratic socialism.

The Democratic primary was rigged in Hillary Clinton's favor.

The DNC virtually admitted this.

With more and more Trump voters realizing that the Populist platform that Trump ran on, with all of his carnival barking about draining the swamp is a lie...progressives have a better chance in 2018, and Sanders will win in 2020, wether it is against Trump, if he lasts intil 2020.

Or Pence ,or any other jagoff, that the wins the Republican nomination.

Sanders will crush any Republican in a debate about policy, just like he crushed Hilary Clinton.

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Oh god. Doc calling FDR terrible, CAK calling him Bernie...

It's always interesting to see the far left and far right offer up their absolutes

Couple of things in response:

1. I am not a member of the "far right." Most people in the US who use that term have no real conception of what "far right" actually means, because of the corruption of its use by the Left and its "mainstream" media spokesmen. The political spectrum is not a line...it is a circle. The "far left" and the "far right" meet at the top, advancing the same goals...Statism...through different means. At the bottom is the INDIVIDUALIST, those who recognize that freedom works best when INDIVIDUAL...NOT majority and minority...rights are preserved and defended.

2. FDR was a terrible president. He was an elitist who thought that having compassion for people meant forcing the rest of the people, at gunpoint (because that is what taxation is) to pay for them, creating a welfare state with implications that echo down the decades. And, if people didn't agree with them, he'd simply pack the courts to get his way. He threatened to expand the Supremes from 9 to 13, something no other president before him had done, just so he could pick as many of them as possible. Before FDR...really, before his cousin, Teddy...the Presidency did NOT have the power it has now. FDR seized that power, and all presidents since, to one degree or another, have maintained it.

Read what I said again, and absorb it: FDR put people of asian, specifically Japanese, descent IN CAMPS for the duration of the war. That fact ALONE...usually ignored...puts him in the position of a "terrible president who abused and expanded his power to take away the rights of US CITIZENS."

Let me say that again: FDR put US CITIZENS of Japanese descent INTO PRISON CAMPS for the "crime" of being of Japanese descent.

Let me say it one more time: Franklin Delano Roosevelt put UNITED STATES CITIZENS into PRISON CAMPS because of their RACE.

That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

Put down the books we all read in grade school, and pick up books that offer a critical analysis of the man. He's not a god. He was just as flawed as the rest of us.

Measured responses, SB.

You and I obviously disagree with FDR's anti-trust and his New Deal.

No point in going back and forth on that.

FDR was SEVERELY LIMITED in regard to what he coukd do with the rights of blacks and Asians, because of the social climate of the 1940's.

Again, this link explains his actions, which were obviously NOT GOOD, but it was due to political pressure.

FDR's hand was forced on these issues, he had no little to no power to help the plight of non-white US citizens and immigrants.

Reference:

https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexis.com/webcd/app?action=DocumentDisplay&crawlid=1&doctype=cite&docid=77+Ohio+St.+L.J.+791&srctype=smi&srcid=3B15&key=81ab938b4a13ddd9f01c9cf918aede46

Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer

My point simply was, the right hate FDR for exactly what the Left love him for. He did bad things. He did good things. Neither side seems to ever want to admit both.

Here are just my quotes from this very thread, posts made very recently. You tell me if "neither side seems to ever want to admit both" is a fair charge, as far as my comments have been concerned.

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Originally Posted by DB
That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

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Originally Posted by DB
He was another person who was "the smartest guy in the room." That was TRUE...

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Originally Posted by DB
As a war president, he was fantastic

If you are going to participate in these discussions, you need to show THE ENTIRE FORUM the respect and courtesy of paying very close attention to what people say and not make statements like the above, which clearly demonstrate that you weren't.

I don't classify myself as part of "the right", but I don't "hate" FDR. That's the type of inflammatory rhetoric that makes these discussions so volatile. It's an emotional reaction, and leads to charges of emotional reactions. Just because you disagree with someone, and think their policies were bad, doesn't mean you "hate" them. Not everything needs to be reduced to an emotional response.

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Originally Posted by SB


SS is ruined because of both sides raping it. Yes, both sides.

Socialism is not the answer. Absolute freedom is not the answer either. Trump was the first candidate I've seen who walked the midddle; its too bad he's got mental problems, he could have done great things.

No one, at any time, has said anything about "Absolute freedom" being the answer.

That is an example of a "straw man argument": inventing something that someone else said, then arguing against it as if that other person said it.

If you don't understand, or are unclear about, the position of someone, it's far superior to ask questions, rather than "assign" them a position based on your own opinions.

"Absolute freedom" is anarchy, and anarchy doesn't exist except for very short periods of time (think days, at most, if not hours), whereby the stronger flex their power and restore their own control over things.

INDIVIDUALISM...which respects the rights of the INDIVIDUAL over any group, minority, plurality, or majority...is the key to human success, and always has been. INDIVIDUALISM is neither Left NOR Right...it is CONSERVATISM.

Group think, or "Statism", as repeated by CAK, is what leads to human suffering, always.

As for Trump...he's not "walking the middle"; he's a moderate leftist, and always has been, regardless of what he calls himself. That is why the Left's screeching about him is so hilarious AND disturbing: he's one of them.

Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Oh god. Doc calling FDR terrible, CAK calling him Bernie...

It's always interesting to see the far left and far right offer up their absolutes

Couple of things in response:

1. I am not a member of the "far right." Most people in the US who use that term have no real conception of what "far right" actually means, because of the corruption of its use by the Left and its "mainstream" media spokesmen. The political spectrum is not a line...it is a circle. The "far left" and the "far right" meet at the top, advancing the same goals...Statism...through different means. At the bottom is the INDIVIDUALIST, those who recognize that freedom works best when INDIVIDUAL...NOT majority and minority...rights are preserved and defended.

2. FDR was a terrible president. He was an elitist who thought that having compassion for people meant forcing the rest of the people, at gunpoint (because that is what taxation is) to pay for them, creating a welfare state with implications that echo down the decades. And, if people didn't agree with them, he'd simply pack the courts to get his way. He threatened to expand the Supremes from 9 to 13, something no other president before him had done, just so he could pick as many of them as possible. Before FDR...really, before his cousin, Teddy...the Presidency did NOT have the power it has now. FDR seized that power, and all presidents since, to one degree or another, have maintained it.

Read what I said again, and absorb it: FDR put people of asian, specifically Japanese, descent IN CAMPS for the duration of the war. That fact ALONE...usually ignored...puts him in the position of a "terrible president who abused and expanded his power to take away the rights of US CITIZENS."

Let me say that again: FDR put US CITIZENS of Japanese descent INTO PRISON CAMPS for the "crime" of being of Japanese descent.

Let me say it one more time: Franklin Delano Roosevelt put UNITED STATES CITIZENS into PRISON CAMPS because of their RACE.

That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

Put down the books we all read in grade school, and pick up books that offer a critical analysis of the man. He's not a god. He was just as flawed as the rest of us.

Measured responses, SB.

You and I obviously disagree with FDR's anti-trust and his New Deal.

No point in going back and forth on that.

FDR was SEVERELY LIMITED in regard to what he coukd do with the rights of blacks and Asians, because of the social climate of the 1940's.

Again, this link explains his actions, which were obviously NOT GOOD, but it was due to political pressure.

FDR's hand was forced on these issues, he had no little to no power to help the plight of non-white US citizens and immigrants.

Reference:

https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexis.com/webcd/app?action=DocumentDisplay&crawlid=1&doctype=cite&docid=77+Ohio+St.+L.J.+791&srctype=smi&srcid=3B15&key=81ab938b4a13ddd9f01c9cf918aede46

Oh stop. You can't claim the guy was able to do wonderful and marvelous things on the one hand, and then claim he was completely powerless to do anything about atrocity on the other.

It's double-speak.

Since when has political "pressure" ever forced anyone to do ANYTHING against which they, themselves, are morally opposed...? Especially since you claim FDR was a great crusader for minority rights...?

You can't claim that, and then put UNITED STATES CITIZENS in PRISON CAMPS because they or their ancestors are of a certain race/ethnicity/nationality.

Sorry.

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by KingNampa
@Homer Ya I agree. Also I didn't mention this before I had a promo from ebay. Sell 10 items with NO Final Value Fees. So I sold that X-men with ZERO ebay fees.

Theoretically, if I sold it for $4k. The ebay+paypal fees would have been $520 on a normal ebay sale, $3480 net.

KingNampa, it would have been nice of you to post up that promo, BEFORE, the fact.Not after the promo ended.

Just sayin.

Why? If it was to take advantage of it, as km said, everyone gets different promos. That's why the "this promo is worth so and so!!" threads aren't very useful: everyone's promos are different.

My apologies to King Nampa, I waa wrong.

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Oh god. Doc calling FDR terrible, CAK calling him Bernie...

It's always interesting to see the far left and far right offer up their absolutes

Couple of things in response:

1. I am not a member of the "far right." Most people in the US who use that term have no real conception of what "far right" actually means, because of the corruption of its use by the Left and its "mainstream" media spokesmen. The political spectrum is not a line...it is a circle. The "far left" and the "far right" meet at the top, advancing the same goals...Statism...through different means. At the bottom is the INDIVIDUALIST, those who recognize that freedom works best when INDIVIDUAL...NOT majority and minority...rights are preserved and defended.

2. FDR was a terrible president. He was an elitist who thought that having compassion for people meant forcing the rest of the people, at gunpoint (because that is what taxation is) to pay for them, creating a welfare state with implications that echo down the decades. And, if people didn't agree with them, he'd simply pack the courts to get his way. He threatened to expand the Supremes from 9 to 13, something no other president before him had done, just so he could pick as many of them as possible. Before FDR...really, before his cousin, Teddy...the Presidency did NOT have the power it has now. FDR seized that power, and all presidents since, to one degree or another, have maintained it.

Read what I said again, and absorb it: FDR put people of asian, specifically Japanese, descent IN CAMPS for the duration of the war. That fact ALONE...usually ignored...puts him in the position of a "terrible president who abused and expanded his power to take away the rights of US CITIZENS."

Let me say that again: FDR put US CITIZENS of Japanese descent INTO PRISON CAMPS for the "crime" of being of Japanese descent.

Let me say it one more time: Franklin Delano Roosevelt put UNITED STATES CITIZENS into PRISON CAMPS because of their RACE.

That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

Put down the books we all read in grade school, and pick up books that offer a critical analysis of the man. He's not a god. He was just as flawed as the rest of us.

Measured responses, SB.

You and I obviously disagree with FDR's anti-trust and his New Deal.

No point in going back and forth on that.

FDR was SEVERELY LIMITED in regard to what he coukd do with the rights of blacks and Asians, because of the social climate of the 1940's.

Again, this link explains his actions, which were obviously NOT GOOD, but it was due to political pressure.

FDR's hand was forced on these issues, he had no little to no power to help the plight of non-white US citizens and immigrants.

Reference:

https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexis.com/webcd/app?action=DocumentDisplay&crawlid=1&doctype=cite&docid=77+Ohio+St.+L.J.+791&srctype=smi&srcid=3B15&key=81ab938b4a13ddd9f01c9cf918aede46

Originally Posted by KingNampa
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer

My point simply was, the right hate FDR for exactly what the Left love him for. He did bad things. He did good things. Neither side seems to ever want to admit both.

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Originally Posted by KingNampa
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer

My point simply was, the right hate FDR for exactly what the Left love him for. He did bad things. He did good things. Neither side seems to ever want to admit both.

Here are just my quotes from this very thread, posts made very recently. You tell me if "neither side seems to ever want to admit both" is a fair charge, as far as my comments have been concerned.

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Originally Posted by DB
That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DB
He was another person who was "the smartest guy in the room." That was TRUE...

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Originally Posted by DB
As a war president, he was fantastic

If you are going to participate in these discussions, you need to show THE ENTIRE FORUM the respect and courtesy of paying very close attention to what people say and not make statements like the above, which clearly demonstrate that you weren't.

I don't classify myself as part of "the right", but I don't "hate" FDR. That's the type of inflammatory rhetoric that makes these discussions so volatile. It's an emotional reaction, and leads to charges of emotional reactions. Just because you disagree with someone, and think their policies were bad, doesn't mean you "hate" them. Not everything needs to be reduced to an emotional response.

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Originally Posted by SB


SS is ruined because of both sides raping it. Yes, both sides.

Socialism is not the answer. Absolute freedom is not the answer either. Trump was the first candidate I've seen who walked the midddle; its too bad he's got mental problems, he could have done great things.

No one, at any time, has said anything about "Absolute freedom" being the answer.

That is an example of a "straw man argument": inventing something that someone else said, then arguing against it as if that other person said it.

If you don't understand, or are unclear about, the position of someone, it's far superior to ask questions, rather than "assign" them a position based on your own opinions.

"Absolute freedom" is anarchy, and anarchy doesn't exist except for very short periods of time (think days, at most, if not hours), whereby the stronger flex their power and restore their own control over things.

INDIVIDUALISM...which respects the rights of the INDIVIDUAL over any group, minority, plurality, or majority...is the key to human success, and always has been. INDIVIDUALISM is neither Left NOR Right...it is CONSERVATISM.

Group think, or "Statism", as repeated by CAK, is what leads to human suffering, always.

As for Trump...he's not "walking the middle"; he's a moderate leftist, and always has been, regardless of what he calls himself. That is why the Left's screeching about him is so hilarious AND disturbing: he's one of them.

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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Oh god. Doc calling FDR terrible, CAK calling him Bernie...

It's always interesting to see the far left and far right offer up their absolutes

Couple of things in response:

1. I am not a member of the "far right." Most people in the US who use that term have no real conception of what "far right" actually means, because of the corruption of its use by the Left and its "mainstream" media spokesmen. The political spectrum is not a line...it is a circle. The "far left" and the "far right" meet at the top, advancing the same goals...Statism...through different means. At the bottom is the INDIVIDUALIST, those who recognize that freedom works best when INDIVIDUAL...NOT majority and minority...rights are preserved and defended.

2. FDR was a terrible president. He was an elitist who thought that having compassion for people meant forcing the rest of the people, at gunpoint (because that is what taxation is) to pay for them, creating a welfare state with implications that echo down the decades. And, if people didn't agree with them, he'd simply pack the courts to get his way. He threatened to expand the Supremes from 9 to 13, something no other president before him had done, just so he could pick as many of them as possible. Before FDR...really, before his cousin, Teddy...the Presidency did NOT have the power it has now. FDR seized that power, and all presidents since, to one degree or another, have maintained it.

Read what I said again, and absorb it: FDR put people of asian, specifically Japanese, descent IN CAMPS for the duration of the war. That fact ALONE...usually ignored...puts him in the position of a "terrible president who abused and expanded his power to take away the rights of US CITIZENS."

Let me say that again: FDR put US CITIZENS of Japanese descent INTO PRISON CAMPS for the "crime" of being of Japanese descent.

Let me say it one more time: Franklin Delano Roosevelt put UNITED STATES CITIZENS into PRISON CAMPS because of their RACE.

That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

Put down the books we all read in grade school, and pick up books that offer a critical analysis of the man. He's not a god. He was just as flawed as the rest of us.

Measured responses, SB.

You and I obviously disagree with FDR's anti-trust and his New Deal.

No point in going back and forth on that.

FDR was SEVERELY LIMITED in regard to what he coukd do with the rights of blacks and Asians, because of the social climate of the 1940's.

Again, this link explains his actions, which were obviously NOT GOOD, but it was due to political pressure.

FDR's hand was forced on these issues, he had no little to no power to help the plight of non-white US citizens and immigrants.

Reference:

https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexis.com/webcd/app?action=DocumentDisplay&crawlid=1&doctype=cite&docid=77+Ohio+St.+L.J.+791&srctype=smi&srcid=3B15&key=81ab938b4a13ddd9f01c9cf918aede46

Oh stop. You can't claim the guy was able to do wonderful and marvelous things on the one hand, and then claim he was completely powerless to do anything about atrocity on the other.

It's double-speak.

Since when has political "pressure" ever forced anyone to do ANYTHING against which they, themselves, are morally opposed...? Especially since you claim FDR was a great crusader for minority rights...?

You can't claim that, and then put UNITED STATES CITIZENS in PRISON CAMPS because they or their ancestors are of a certain race/ethnicity/nationality.

Sorry.

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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by KingNampa
@Homer Ya I agree. Also I didn't mention this before I had a promo from ebay. Sell 10 items with NO Final Value Fees. So I sold that X-men with ZERO ebay fees.

Theoretically, if I sold it for $4k. The ebay+paypal fees would have been $520 on a normal ebay sale, $3480 net.

KingNampa, it would have been nice of you to post up that promo, BEFORE, the fact.Not after the promo ended.

Just sayin.

Why? If it was to take advantage of it, as km said, everyone gets different promos. That's why the "this promo is worth so and so!!" threads aren't very useful: everyone's promos are different.

My apologies to King Nampa, I waa wrong.

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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Oh god. Doc calling FDR terrible, CAK calling him Bernie...

It's always interesting to see the far left and far right offer up their absolutes

Couple of things in response:

1. I am not a member of the "far right." Most people in the US who use that term have no real conception of what "far right" actually means, because of the corruption of its use by the Left and its "mainstream" media spokesmen. The political spectrum is not a line...it is a circle. The "far left" and the "far right" meet at the top, advancing the same goals...Statism...through different means. At the bottom is the INDIVIDUALIST, those who recognize that freedom works best when INDIVIDUAL...NOT majority and minority...rights are preserved and defended.

2. FDR was a terrible president. He was an elitist who thought that having compassion for people meant forcing the rest of the people, at gunpoint (because that is what taxation is) to pay for them, creating a welfare state with implications that echo down the decades. And, if people didn't agree with them, he'd simply pack the courts to get his way. He threatened to expand the Supremes from 9 to 13, something no other president before him had done, just so he could pick as many of them as possible. Before FDR...really, before his cousin, Teddy...the Presidency did NOT have the power it has now. FDR seized that power, and all presidents since, to one degree or another, have maintained it.

Read what I said again, and absorb it: FDR put people of asian, specifically Japanese, descent IN CAMPS for the duration of the war. That fact ALONE...usually ignored...puts him in the position of a "terrible president who abused and expanded his power to take away the rights of US CITIZENS."

Let me say that again: FDR put US CITIZENS of Japanese descent INTO PRISON CAMPS for the "crime" of being of Japanese descent.

Let me say it one more time: Franklin Delano Roosevelt put UNITED STATES CITIZENS into PRISON CAMPS because of their RACE.

That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

Put down the books we all read in grade school, and pick up books that offer a critical analysis of the man. He's not a god. He was just as flawed as the rest of us.

Measured responses, SB.

You and I obviously disagree with FDR's anti-trust and his New Deal.

No point in going back and forth on that.

FDR was SEVERELY LIMITED in regard to what he coukd do with the rights of blacks and Asians, because of the social climate of the 1940's.

Again, this link explains his actions, which were obviously NOT GOOD, but it was due to political pressure.

FDR's hand was forced on these issues, he had no little to no power to help the plight of non-white US citizens and immigrants.

Reference:

https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexis.com/webcd/app?action=DocumentDisplay&crawlid=1&doctype=cite&docid=77+Ohio+St.+L.J.+791&srctype=smi&srcid=3B15&key=81ab938b4a13ddd9f01c9cf918aede46

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That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

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He was another person who was "the smartest guy in the room." That was TRUE...

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As a war president, he was fantastic

If you are going to participate in these discussions, you need to show THE ENTIRE FORUM the respect and courtesy of paying very close attention to what people say and not make statements like the above, which clearly demonstrate that you weren't.

I don't classify myself as part of "the right", but I don't "hate" FDR. That's the type of inflammatory rhetoric that makes these discussions so volatile. It's an emotional reaction, and leads to charges of emotional reactions. Just because you disagree with someone, and think their policies were bad, doesn't mean you "hate" them. Not everything needs to be reduced to an emotional response.

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SS is ruined because of both sides raping it. Yes, both sides.

Socialism is not the answer. Absolute freedom is not the answer either. Trump was the first candidate I've seen who walked the midddle; its too bad he's got mental problems, he could have done great things.

No one, at any time, has said anything about "Absolute freedom" being the answer.

That is an example of a "straw man argument": inventing something that someone else said, then arguing against it as if that other person said it.

If you don't understand, or are unclear about, the position of someone, it's far superior to ask questions, rather than "assign" them a position based on your own opinions.

"Absolute freedom" is anarchy, and anarchy doesn't exist except for very short periods of time (think days, at most, if not hours), whereby the stronger flex their power and restore their own control over things.

INDIVIDUALISM...which respects the rights of the INDIVIDUAL over any group, minority, plurality, or majority...is the key to human success, and always has been. INDIVIDUALISM is neither Left NOR Right...it is CONSERVATISM.

Group think, or "Statism", as repeated by CAK, is what leads to human suffering, always.

As for Trump...he's not "walking the middle"; he's a moderate leftist, and always has been, regardless of what he calls himself. That is why the Left's screeching about him is so hilarious AND disturbing: he's one of them.

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Oh god. Doc calling FDR terrible, CAK calling him Bernie...

It's always interesting to see the far left and far right offer up their absolutes

Couple of things in response:

1. I am not a member of the "far right." Most people in the US who use that term have no real conception of what "far right" actually means, because of the corruption of its use by the Left and its "mainstream" media spokesmen. The political spectrum is not a line...it is a circle. The "far left" and the "far right" meet at the top, advancing the same goals...Statism...through different means. At the bottom is the INDIVIDUALIST, those who recognize that freedom works best when INDIVIDUAL...NOT majority and minority...rights are preserved and defended.

2. FDR was a terrible president. He was an elitist who thought that having compassion for people meant forcing the rest of the people, at gunpoint (because that is what taxation is) to pay for them, creating a welfare state with implications that echo down the decades. And, if people didn't agree with them, he'd simply pack the courts to get his way. He threatened to expand the Supremes from 9 to 13, something no other president before him had done, just so he could pick as many of them as possible. Before FDR...really, before his cousin, Teddy...the Presidency did NOT have the power it has now. FDR seized that power, and all presidents since, to one degree or another, have maintained it.

Read what I said again, and absorb it: FDR put people of asian, specifically Japanese, descent IN CAMPS for the duration of the war. That fact ALONE...usually ignored...puts him in the position of a "terrible president who abused and expanded his power to take away the rights of US CITIZENS."

Let me say that again: FDR put US CITIZENS of Japanese descent INTO PRISON CAMPS for the "crime" of being of Japanese descent.

Let me say it one more time: Franklin Delano Roosevelt put UNITED STATES CITIZENS into PRISON CAMPS because of their RACE.

That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

Put down the books we all read in grade school, and pick up books that offer a critical analysis of the man. He's not a god. He was just as flawed as the rest of us.

Measured responses, SB.

You and I obviously disagree with FDR's anti-trust and his New Deal.

No point in going back and forth on that.

FDR was SEVERELY LIMITED in regard to what he coukd do with the rights of blacks and Asians, because of the social climate of the 1940's.

Again, this link explains his actions, which were obviously NOT GOOD, but it was due to political pressure.

FDR's hand was forced on these issues, he had no little to no power to help the plight of non-white US citizens and immigrants.

Reference:

https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexis.com/webcd/app?action=DocumentDisplay&crawlid=1&doctype=cite&docid=77+Ohio+St.+L.J.+791&srctype=smi&srcid=3B15&key=81ab938b4a13ddd9f01c9cf918aede46

Oh stop. You can't claim the guy was able to do wonderful and marvelous things on the one hand, and then claim he was completely powerless to do anything about atrocity on the other.

It's double-speak.

Since when has political "pressure" ever forced anyone to do ANYTHING against which they, themselves, are morally opposed...? Especially since you claim FDR was a great crusader for minority rights...?

You can't claim that, and then put UNITED STATES CITIZENS in PRISON CAMPS because they or their ancestors are of a certain race/ethnicity/nationality.

Sorry.

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@Homer Ya I agree. Also I didn't mention this before I had a promo from ebay. Sell 10 items with NO Final Value Fees. So I sold that X-men with ZERO ebay fees.

Theoretically, if I sold it for $4k. The ebay+paypal fees would have been $520 on a normal ebay sale, $3480 net.

KingNampa, it would have been nice of you to post up that promo, BEFORE, the fact.Not after the promo ended.

Just sayin.

Why? If it was to take advantage of it, as km said, everyone gets different promos. That's why the "this promo is worth so and so!!" threads aren't very useful: everyone's promos are different.

My apologies to King Nampa, I waa wrong.

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Oh god. Doc calling FDR terrible, CAK calling him Bernie...

It's always interesting to see the far left and far right offer up their absolutes

Couple of things in response:

1. I am not a member of the "far right." Most people in the US who use that term have no real conception of what "far right" actually means, because of the corruption of its use by the Left and its "mainstream" media spokesmen. The political spectrum is not a line...it is a circle. The "far left" and the "far right" meet at the top, advancing the same goals...Statism...through different means. At the bottom is the INDIVIDUALIST, those who recognize that freedom works best when INDIVIDUAL...NOT majority and minority...rights are preserved and defended.

2. FDR was a terrible president. He was an elitist who thought that having compassion for people meant forcing the rest of the people, at gunpoint (because that is what taxation is) to pay for them, creating a welfare state with implications that echo down the decades. And, if people didn't agree with them, he'd simply pack the courts to get his way. He threatened to expand the Supremes from 9 to 13, something no other president before him had done, just so he could pick as many of them as possible. Before FDR...really, before his cousin, Teddy...the Presidency did NOT have the power it has now. FDR seized that power, and all presidents since, to one degree or another, have maintained it.

Read what I said again, and absorb it: FDR put people of asian, specifically Japanese, descent IN CAMPS for the duration of the war. That fact ALONE...usually ignored...puts him in the position of a "terrible president who abused and expanded his power to take away the rights of US CITIZENS."

Let me say that again: FDR put US CITIZENS of Japanese descent INTO PRISON CAMPS for the "crime" of being of Japanese descent.

Let me say it one more time: Franklin Delano Roosevelt put UNITED STATES CITIZENS into PRISON CAMPS because of their RACE.

That said, it's hard to listen to his speech before Congress on Dec 8, 1941, and not feel stirred by his powerful rhetoric before the nation. It's one of the best speeches a politician has ever made.

Put down the books we all read in grade school, and pick up books that offer a critical analysis of the man. He's not a god. He was just as flawed as the rest of us.

Measured responses, SB.

You and I obviously disagree with FDR's anti-trust and his New Deal.

No point in going back and forth on that.

FDR was SEVERELY LIMITED in regard to what he coukd do with the rights of blacks and Asians, because of the social climate of the 1940's.

Again, this link explains his actions, which were obviously NOT GOOD, but it was due to political pressure.

FDR's hand was forced on these issues, he had no little to no power to help the plight of non-white US citizens and immigrants.

Reference:

https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexis.com/webcd/app?action=DocumentDisplay&crawlid=1&doctype=cite&docid=77+Ohio+St.+L.J.+791&srctype=smi&srcid=3B15&key=81ab938b4a13ddd9f01c9cf918aede46