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| I had a great con experience over the weekend. During the convention, found myself behind a lot of people in lines waiting to get books signed by this artist or that one. It was interesting to listen to people go on and on and on about the comic being their property and that an artist or creator shouldn’t be concerned about what happens to it after the transaction is completed. I believe this was in response to the various discussions and prices being charged by different people at their tables. While waiting in the lines, I had a lot of time to listen to the arguments and formulate an opinion on the subject. My thoughts… Who cares if the artist or creator decides that they want a little more out of a pie from a flipper or someone who slabs a comic? I should point out that the people I was seeking to have items signed by or drawings from had signs up showing the prices of what they were charging. Therefore, the buyer knows what the pricing structure was and is for the service they are seeking to have filled. For whatever reason each of us in line decided that paying the toll to complete the transaction was worth it. If it wasn’t then we wouldn’t have done it. Complaining about it after the fact is buyer’s remorse. Complaining about it while in line was pretty funny to me. The artist or creator is being straight forward enough to let each of us know before hand what the rules of the playing field. No means no, and I have a different price for that means I have a different price for that. Each of us in line chose to be on that field. At the end of the day, complaining about it, calling them names, or saying their actions make them greedy or wouldn’t work in the real world doesn’t matter. It isn’t going to effect the artist nor is it going to change their pricing structure. Seemed like a waste of energy to hear different people get all worked up about the prices. I kept thinking you can always leave. You don’t have to be here. I wish you’d leave because I wouldn’t have to wait as long if you did. Before I go sign off, I have to address the “real world” statement one guy threw out at another guy while standing in front of me. After a lot of back and forth, it went something like this… Guy 1 – I can’t believe __________ is charging this amount and that amount for that? What is up with that? Guy 2 – You know. In the real world this would never work. Guy 1 – You’re right. It never would work. I laughed in my head when the “real world” argument was put forth. A bit idiotic noting we were standing in the really, real world to steal a line from the Crow. I started to thinks something along these lines in overhearing those comments… We all live in the real world. The money the artists are charging is real. The money we were all waiting in line to pay was real. At what point, did we enter some other plan of existence and leave “the real world” to get an artist or creator’s signature? How is this not working in the real world? It seems to be working just fine and the artist in question was raking in the dough. (I should point out that while all of the above was based upon observations it is just opinion. Your’s may vary. If it is does it doesn’t mean that either of us is correct or incorrect. It just means our opinions are different). |
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| I'm fine with artists charging for signatures if, as you stated, they advertise it in advance. At Fan Expo Toronto last month Bruce Campbell had a massive line for signatures. Everyone in line was well aware of what he was charging per item and I never heard anyone complain. I had 3 books with me that I wanted to get witnessed signatures on. None of the artists I went to had long lines, or really any lines as they were in artist alley. When I mentioned that they were going to be submitted for grading they asked for $5.00. This wasn't posted anywhere on their table, but in my mind that is completely reasonable. One of the artists that I was getting a witnessed signature from was Joe Jusko. He charged the $5.00 for the witnessed book and then signed a couple other books (that weren't being graded) and 18 Conan cards for no charge. |
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| Perfectly fine with being charged. I don't re-sell but then they have no way of knowing that - potentially with my sketches they know as they are almost all in a book and you can tell none have been removed. There are some who charge too much...I don't go... simple as that. I'm ok with artists getting more $$, sure they are paid for their work but it's not like they have a 9-5 job and pay into a retirement fund. Our tastes could change and now an artist isn't getting the call for work through no fault of their own - if they can do a few conventions and make a few extra bucks - go for it! |
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| I agree - we live in a capitalistic society. Sadly, comics is no longer a hobby. It is a money making venture for many and that aspect has brought on this new approach by artists (charging for autographs). But being that we are a capitalistic society and prices are upfront, we can choose to buy it or leave it. Our choice. I do lament it has come to this, but it is legitimate and correct. |
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| It is not the creator's/artists business what you do with a book after he/she signs it. But, it certainly is their business how they want to make money, and feel like they arent getting porked by flippers making a mint off of their sigs. Its america at it's finest. If you dont like the way they're doing business, move along to someone else. I have encountered several that charged extra, and I was happy to pay it. Sakai even does an extra little doodle for folks paying the slab premium! |
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| To those who say who cares if creators want a bigger piece of some pie, I just say this: People who spend money to buy the comic, store the comic, take care of the comic, prep the comic, bring it to a convention, stand in line, pay for the comic to be slabbed, and pay for the slab to be shipped back to you. That's who cares. None of which the creator has anything to do with. So, if the creator had nothing to do with obtaining and preserving that book in the condition it is in...which is 75%, 80%, 90% or more of the value of almost every signed comic book that exists...then why do they think they deserve a piece of some "pie"...? Answer: because they don't know any better, and are being actively lied to by others. The creator takes NONE of the risk, but expects to receive part of the reward...? How does THAT work...? A creator is, and should be, free to charge whatever they want, to whomever they want, for any reason they want. They want to discriminate, they should be allowed to. If a creator doesn't want to sign for pregnant women, or people with t-shirts on, or white people, or whomever...they should be free to do so. However...that doesn't mean they get to be free of the consequences. And the consequences are that people will be angry at you, and you will lose business. And...it's not at all unreasonable to explain to a creator that what they're doing is greedy and discriminatory. After all...maybe a creator doesn't understand. The fact that most people won't complain doesn't help business...it hurts it. If a business does not know what makes its customers or potential customers unhappy, they cannot even hope to address it. TELLING the business what the issue is gives them the chance to think about it, and decide if it's a valid complaint or not. It is harmful and detrimental to business...and creators are SELLING THEIR SERVICES...to say that people shouldn't complain. It's the same "feelings matter more than reason" thinking that affects so many today. If a creator doesn't understand the process, and they're being actively misled (and they are) to believe that their signature It's business. It's not personal. Trying to MAKE it personal is where everyone runs into problems. As far as comments about "the real world" that some have made, I understand what they're saying: the comic book world DOES NOT behave like the real world, because comic book collectors...like most collectors...behave like addicts. People in the "real world" would never tolerate being charged a different Think about it. You go to Walmart, and the cashier asks you would you're going to do with those eggs you're about to buy. Customer: "I'm going to boil them and eat them. How is that any of your business...?" Cashier: "Ok, then they are $2.37. And what are YOU going to do with those eggs...?" Next customer: "I'm going to make deviled eggs and sell them at my neighborhood bake sale." Cashier: "Ok, since you're planning to sell them, that will be $8.23." In the "real world", such tactics wouldn't be tolerated for a second. But it's the exact same thing that's being done here, whether someone "announces" it upfront or not. I trust people can see the madness behind this kind of reasoning...yet it's tolerated in the comics world, because collectors behave like addicts, and don't want to say anything for fear of being cut off. It's the same reason why "Comic Book Guy" is a stereotype: that guy is real, and exists all over the continent. "You're here to serve ME, fanboy, not the other way around." And it's tolerated because: addicts. Also...there will come a time again when comics aren't "on top of the world." It's happened before, and it will happen again. If creators alienate people with these discriminatory practices...what's going to happen when the pop crowd abandons them for the next hot fad...? These are things they should be aware of. Rob Liefeld was ignored for a very long time. He will be again. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer How do you know people are "making a mint off of their sigs"...? Is that really true...? Look at the word you used there: "feel" These are business people, first and foremost. They sell their talents for a living. If they understood that the vast majority of people AREN'T "porking them", do you think their practices might change...? |
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| It is a fact, it is true, that unless your book being signed ends up in a slab with a 9.8 on it, the vast majority of the time, the signature adds nothing to the value of the book. Check GPA. See what happens if Mike Zeck signs a copy of ASM #293 that ends up in a 9.6 slab. There have been 8 of those sold in the last 15 years. One (1) of them sold for $100, which means that, if the owner paid nothing for the book, they "made a profit." The rest of them...assuming the owner paid nothing for the book, which isn't "real world", LOST MONEY on the venture. One sale at $63 probably broke even. So, the creator wants none of the risk of obtaining and maintaining a book that WILL have added value with a sig, but wants some of the reward for doing so...? That's not "real world." Don't look at the feelings of the issue. Look at the facts. |
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| I bought a Swamp Thing #27 9.2 signed by Totleben and Bissette in Dec of 2013 for $16 plus $12.75 shipping. It's recorded on GPA. (GPA is odd...it looks like the same copy was sold three times, each time for a lesser amount, but I don't think that's what happened. I think the label just didn't get updated on eBay, for a couple of copies, because I bought it from Rich Henn, the guy who had it slabbed. But I digress.) What were the costs involved? Tot's sig fee - $10 Bissette's fee - $5 Slab fee - $22.40 (dealer pricing; regular is $28) Ship fee - ~$5 (depends on total number of books, but this is about right for mass submitters) Cost of the raw book - ??? (NOT free.) eBay FV fee - $1.60 eBay FV fee on shipping - $1.28 Paypal fee - $1.13 So, just the direct costs to get this book slabbed and sold on eBay were $46.41. And that's assuming the value of the book is $0, which it is not. And that doesn't include any of the indirect costs, like all the above "costs" of obtaining and maintaining books in a potential grade that is worth being signed at all, and the time spent standing line, filling out forms, handing things in/shipping them in, receiving, listing, cost to pack a sale, etc etc etc. The shipping was flat rate Priority, which at that point was, I believe, $10.60. I paid $28.75. Total cash outlay, including shipping, was $57.01. Rich lost, on that one transaction, $28.26. He would have lost less money throwing the book in the trash instead of getting it signed and slabbing it. And that's just the direct amount lost. His time spent on that book was worth nothing. His effort at maintaining that book was worth nothing. His labor getting that book to and from during the whole process was worth nothing. The book itself had no value. Any value the book had was in the SLAB...certainly NOT the signature. And what's the difference between a 9.2 and a 9.8...? Not that much. Just WHO is really getting "porked" here...? If someone thinks that people are making "fat profits" in the sig series business almost certainly has never actually done it. Do you know who IS making the money for doing very little...? These "artist reps." They have no risk, and all reward. That's why, by the way, people like Doug Peters STOPPED doing sig series DIRECTLY, and got into the "Artist Rep" business. He saw the same thing I explain here. He's not stupid. |
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| @DocBrown signatures are most often a courtesy from artists/creators. If they know the signature is for YOU, its either free or very cheap, and we should be grateful for it. The second "slabbing" comes into the equation, it becomes business. Are you not making money off their signature (or at least trying to)? As soon as money is involved, they DESERVE a piece of it. You are simply looking to make money off of their signature. What you did to preserve the comic is not their business, its not even relevant. Yes, some people (like me) are not looking to make a buck off the slabbed signature, but charging all witnessed cigs is simply the "catch-all". Good for them I say, a lot of them in artist alley are either out of work or only getting part time gigs, and they deserve every bit of money they can get for their own signature. |
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| Can anyone name a single artist/creator/writer that is now homeless and hungry because of all the business they lost by charging too much for sigs? My point being, people still pay the price for the signatures because they want them. I don't like paying $30 per Neal Adams signature but I do it anyway because I want my books signed. A lot of people complain about his prices but they still pay it. I'm sure the guy is still well off. | ||
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| And let's bring up something else. Some creators think that "it's not fair" for people to "make money off their signatures." But consider: Creators sell their work...their substance...their creative power...to publishers. Not their signatures...no, they sell the very essence of themselves. The publishers publish comics to make money. The distributor(s) distribute comics to make money. The retailers sell comics to make money. The publishers, the distributors, the retailers ALL are making money off the creators...but the creators don't have a problem with this...? Some do. Dave Sim did, so he did it himself. He traded security for the risk and potential reward of doing it himself. And he did. But all these entities are "making fat profit" off the "backs of the creators"...but very few have an issue with it...and it represents one HELL of a lot more effort from these creators than signing does. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by AndyRexia Creators should be free to charge whatever they want, for any reason they want. That's not the issue. Neal charged $50 at SDCC, by the way. But again: this is business, not "happy good feeling fun time." Neal Adams is not making a living off of his signatures. He made his living off his art. I had 10 books I wanted to get signed by Neal at SDCC. When I saw the $50 sign, I realized that none of the books I had were worth being signed, so I got none of them done. I was willing to pay $30 for ten books....$300...that Neal didn't get. Also, 10 subs that the slabbing co. didn't get. AT LEAST Neal is consistent, and doesn't charge a discriminatory "slab surcharge" (which hurts everyone, by the way)...he charges the same for everyone. There are both direct AND indirect consequences for these actions. Brian Michael Bendis will sign anything you bring to him, and last I knew, for free. Why? Because you supported his efforts and bought those copies. Yes, yes, he doesn't know if you bought them directly or as a back issue, but the important thing is, SOMEONE bought them and supported his career. Should everyone sign for free? No. But if someone buys multiple copies of my work, I'm more than happy to sign it for them...they supported me. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown As of 13 weeks ago this is not true. Neal charged me 15 or 20 extra for the witnessed signature. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I agree they should be able to charge whatever they want. No disagreement whatsoever there. My post was more referring to the futility of the "hit em where it hurts" mentality some people have at cons. Such as, I'll show him by not paying his price. The catch is, there are plenty of other people in line behind them who WILL pay it. Just like in your case. I understand why you didn't want to pay $50/book (ouch) but there were plenty of people who were and did. I hear ya when you mention the direct and indirect consequences. Obviously there is a ceiling for sig prices that no one would pay but I don't think we're there yet. @shrewbeer damn. I've got 4-5 Adams sigs that I obtained all this year and they were always $30 per. No extra charges. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by AndyRexia I know I at least paid 40, cant remember exactly. We discussed it in a thread here at the time (the same argument may have come up as well, this certainly isnt the first lol). I really want a NA sketch, but his price was incredible. People are paying it though, and I probably would have as well if I had hit his booth while my wallet was still full! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer I'm cool with NA and others charging what they want. It's not the 70's anymore and his work isn't on every other cover. Again, it's not like they get royalties - if the work dries up the money stops coming in. If they can supplement with commissions and signatures - go for it, and he's a know desired artist never mind lesser know guys Have to check my info at home but I was able to get a Green Arrow head sketch for I think $100 or $150 a few years back - more than what I would normally pay for a head sketch but I wanted an NA in my book. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Why...? (that's not a snide question, it's a serious one.) I supported that creator by buying their work. Why should I "be grateful" for it? Shouldn't the creator be grateful to ME for supporting his/her work...? (That's a rhetorical question, the fact is, I AM grateful that the creator created his/her work, and gave me enjoyment. But gratitude is a two-way street. I showed my gratitude by supporting the creator and buying their work.) And what business is it of theirs WHO the signature is for...? Again: "happy good feely fun time." Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer No. The second the creator CHARGED for his/her signature, it became business. Why do you presume that people who are slabbing are doing it "for business"? What if someone wants to slab a copy of their favorite book, because they like the slab and how it works? What if someone is trying to get a run (hi!) of their favorite work, in a certain grade, all signed...? Is THAT "business"...? Slabbing, in and of itself, does not mean "business." It can, but so what...? Again, if I sell my Wal-Mart cookies at the bake sale, does Wal-Mart get to charge me more when I buy them...? Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer They DESERVE it...? For taking none of the risk involved...? Really...? Can you name any real world business in which people taking none of the risk are entitled to some of the reward...? Does Walmart DESERVE part of the money I might make if I sell their muffins at the neighborhood church bazaar? After all, I bought those to make money, or try to. Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer That's right...it's not their business, and it's not even relevant to them. And yet, it is wholly relevant to the ultimate value of the signed book in the slab. It's 75%, 85%, 90% OR MORE of the value of "the package." No one is getting napkins signed, slabbing those, and then selling them for "big money." If their signatures were the driving factor in value, then even signed napkins would have value (and, in some cases, like John Lennon, they do!) Their signatures are NOT, however, the driving factor in the value of these books. They are an AMPLIFIER of value, and ONLY if the book is "in 9.8" for the most part. So, you're correct, the condition of the book is none of the creators concern...so why are they making it their concern by trying to take a piece of it? Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer I've witnessed a lot of cigs in my life, but I try to avoid them, since I'm not a smoker. In any event, why does there NEED to be a "catch-all" in the first place...? Because creators DESERVE that which they didn't earn, took no risk with, and have nothing to do with, aside from their signature....? Really...? Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer If you want to support a struggling artist, you should. Anyone who feels like you do should do that. But saying they "deserve every bit of money they can get"...? That's thinking with feelings, not logic. How do I know they deserve it? Did they work as hard as they could? Were they completely honest in all their dealings with their fellow man? Did they make zero bad choices with the money they did earn? Does someone deserve whatever they can get simply by virtue of them being a creator...? How does one judge what someone else deserves based on the appearance...? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by AndyRexia How do you know there were plenty of people who were willing to pay his price, and did...? Unless one were to stand at Neal's table (which he wouldn't allow anyone to do) and watch the entire con, how would anyone really know who was willing to pay his price, and did...? These things are completely unknowable, unless you're Neal or his accountant. And Neal has infamously lowered his prices in some instances due to price resistance. If you charge...at all...it's now business, and two parties should be able to freely enter and negotiate a business contract for services rendered. That means I should be able to say to a creator "so, here, these New Titans #51, 52, 53 (real example), and the like, aren't worth anything, and even in the highest realistic grade, your signature doesn't add any value. I want them because I'm a fan of those books, and want a run of them. Can I pay, say, $1 each for these, instead of the $20 you're charging...?" (not a real conversation that happened, just what COULD happen.)  Real book...and really missing Marv's signature...because Marv wanted to charge $20 to sign it, rather than the FIVE dollars he charges for "unslabbed" sigs. Same work. Same effort (and there's even some dope who tried to make the ridiculous claim that it was NOT the "same effort"  ) 300% higher, because what Marv THINKS you'll do with the book after he signs it. And on a book that has no value, even as a 9.8. At least Neal is consistent: he charges the same price, regardless of what you intend to do with it. I have ZERO problem with a creator charging anything...I've paid the $350 Frank Miller sig cost (how's THAT working out for anyone except Comic Sketch Art...?) LUCKILY, THANKFULLY, those sigs ended up on DK #1 9.8 and DD #168 9.8, so yes, I "made money." But what if it had gone on a Batman #405 in 9.4...? OOPS. Do I get a refund from Frank and Comic Sketch Art...? l. o. l. The issue I have is the HIGHER price for what a creator THINKS you might do with the book afterwards...which is the height of presumption, and none of their business...NO ONE should be tolerating this...and it's sad that so many do. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Well, then, screw Neal Adams, too. This will dry up, because the laws of economics are immutable, and when it does, then what...? I can show you example after example after example where the "profit" that someone "made" on a Neal Adams signed book was actually a loss. Look up his Strange Adventures run, and see how many copies sold for less than $100...that is, a loss...and see how much "money" people are "making off of Neal Adams." Because there IS a point where "touch feely good fun happy time" DOES play a role, and that's when all the fans, who also happen to be businessmen, so "screw you, asshole", and take their money elsewhere. Should Neal Adams care...? No, and he clearly doesn't. But if Neal Adams shouldn't care...and I'm agreeing that he shouldn't...then why should fans be expected to care...? It's business. It's nothing personal. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown If you cannot be grateful for that which is given to you (especially free), and believe that the giver should be grateful to you.... I really dont know what to say aside from.. good luck. Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown I dont presume that at all. Read the below quote (which you addressed in your post as well, so obviously know that I wrote it as part of my post). Why type an entire argument against something that isnt true, Doc? Setting up and tearing down strawmen isnt very productive in a discussion. Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer |
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| The odd thing with Neal Adams is one can pay $50 for a signature; or $150 for a pen/ink head sketch of a character. I find it really really odd that a signature is this mere differential than a piece of his artwork. 5 seconds of time for $50 vs. 20 - 30 mins of his time for $150. Needless to say I never get an autograph from him and will not (price resistance), but I do think $150 for a pen/ink head sketch is quite good deal. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Ok, couple of corrections, here. First...if something costs me money...whether it's 10 cents or $160 (hi Stan!)...then it was NOT "given to me." I PAID FOR IT. It was a business exchange, a transaction. Second...again: if I PAID for the creator's work...buying their comic...that means I supported them. I helped them with, in my own small way, their employment. This is ESPECIALLY true if I buy multiple examples (copies) of their work. If someone buys MY work, I am VERY grateful to them. They don't owe me. I owe THEM. I am NOT "Comic Book Guy" who thinks that I'm doing the public a favor simply by allowing them to buy from me. Quite the contrary. Same principle applies to creators, and some creators (the Simonsons, for example, or Bendis) understand this. Am I grateful when a creator signs something of mine for free? YOU BETCHA! I don't think there's been a SINGLE TIME that I haven't donated to Heroes on their behalf (either in their donation thingie, or at the Heroes booth) or just bought some of their ADMITTEDLY OVERPRICED work ($20 for a color photocopy of something...? Come on.) I do that because I am grateful. If, however, I am being CHARGED...then, no, that's BUSINESS, and now the creator gets money out of me TWICE...first for buying their product, and second for their signature. A rational person would say that it is the CREATOR in that exchange who should be grateful. Regardless, however, I am still grateful to get books signed, whether I have to pay or not. The creator is under ZERO obligation to sign anything, and I am very grateful that they do. But grateful to be charged for a signature...? No, that doesn't make any sense. Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer I don't think you really know what a "strawman argument" is. It means making up an argument that the other party never said, attributing that to the other party, and then arguing against that made up argument, as if the other party actually made that argument. That's not at all what happened here. Your quote: "The second "slabbing" comes into the equation, it becomes business." It was not qualified. That means it was an "absolute statement." If you meant something else...like "the second "slabbing" comes into the equation, it USUALLY MEANS business", you could have said that...but you did not. In your quote below...here: Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer ...you say nothing that alters the meaning of your statement that "the second "slabbing" comes into the equation, it becomes business." Semantically, it does not qualify your absolute statement above...and if it does not, then the claim of "straw man" arguing is without merit. And if it's unclear, as this clearly was, it might be better to be a little more conciliatory and not leap to claims of "straw men" so quickly...? Just a suggestion. I'm not "looking to make a buck" off the slabbed signature in all cases, either. See above example of New Titans #53. Does that not count? Certainly, you can see how the issue is more complex than a simple "the second "slabbing" comes into the equation, it becomes business"...right...? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I agree. It's a fantastic deal. There was a super secret special signing that Walt Simonson did for SDCC...it was $500, but it was essentially fully inked "cover quality" artwork on 11" x 17" bristol (or whatever passes for bristol these days.) It was amazing. Here's more info, plus an example: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/27/have-dinner-with-comic-legend-walter-simonson-at-sdcc/ |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I know - I was there for the dinner - I got one  |
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| lol Touche! |
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I was NOT.  And I know people who work at IDW! Bastiches! |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Isn't that gorgeous? I mean the drawing, not Thor...although, Thor looks pretty fetching with those flowing locks... |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Indeed it is! This, plus the Ragnarok H/C book with a sketch inside the Hardcover, plus the Thor Artists Edition for $500 - a deal of the year |
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