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| So I wonder what you guys feel about this.I can’t even believe the difference in price for some of these keys between .2 of a high grade. Personally I’ll take anything if its the book I really want. I just can’t believe a .2 grade difference translates to hundreds or thousands of dollars more. Especially considering both are NM+ ones just “almost MT”. What’s your guys thoughts??? Ever see a 9.6 bump up on a regrade or vice versa down for a 9.8??? Are u guys strict about wanting 9.8s!? It’s Friday so grab your coffee and SOUND OFF! |
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| On most days I'm just as happy with a 9.6 as I am with a 9.8. A 9.6 is still an outstanding grade and can be had for less than the cost of a 9.8. | ||
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| There really is a clear difference between a high 9.8 and a high 9.6. The problem becomes the difference between a low 9.8 and a high 9.6. Low 9.8s from CGC imo look horrible for the grade. I don't think spine tics should be allowed in the grade, but apparently that's just me. I have yet to see a CBCS 98 downgraded by CGC but I'm sure it's happened, there are plenty of examples given on this forum of CGC 9.8 getting downgraded by CBCS. And then you get to the rabbit hole of why statistically there should be more 9.9s out there... Bottom line I think the price difference of 9.8/9.6 is justified, IF the book is not a borderline copy. But, most people dont care about that and they buy the label grade. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Right well that’s also the problem with the aftermarket slab buying especially when buying online is that it’s hard to see the minor defects of “low or high” grades OF said grade. I could not agree with your more people by the slab and not the book these days. And trust me I had a Venomverse I was almost + was gonna grade a 9.9 I mean this thing didn’t have a flaw. Not a 1. But alas 9.8, which is fine but yes I’m curious what entails the point of a decimal Grade bump. Spine tics should always be an automatic grade drop to 9.6. Especially with Moderns. But I’m happy with 9.6s so unless I’m being utterly meticulous, it doesn’t bother me much. @AndyRexia I’m the same. Heck I’ll even take a 9.2 on occasion if the price says hello.  |
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| If there's a book I want and a 9.6 is more cost effective than a 9.8 I'll pick up the 9.6. The caveat being that it's not some largely noticeable defect. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by kclaw97 For some of these modern keys I’m considering doing just that. Maybe even to 9.4 as thats NM on the nose. |
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| Heck for a silver age I want and depending on the rarity 9.2-9.4 is awesome, even dare I say a 9.0...there was a time when 9.2 was considered NM. Most moderns I kind of figured are being sold to the collector market and they take better care of the books (even those of us who read them!!!), so unless I can get a book in a slab for same or less than a comparable raw I don't bother with the slab and just get raw as most are 9.2 and up anyway (with appropriate photos). |
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| I'm in agreement with Kat. A solid bronze or silver in a 9.0-9.2 is a score. Copper and new stuff needs to be 9.4 or higher to wet my appetite. Bottom line, a 9.6 if slabbed is always a 9.6 and a 9.8 is always a 9.8. The average slab buyer may consider the centering of a cover but most likely just considers it's worth as graded. Have a great weekend all. Nuff said. | ||
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| When looking at raw comics, I hate to say a book looks "perfect," because if I send it in to be graded by CBCS and it comes back a 9.6, I am disappointed. So I almost never submit a book expecting a 9.8. But when buying graded Bronze Age or older comics, the difference in price between high grade books can be prohibitive. Then I have to ask myself if I would rather have two, three, or more books at 9.6 or 9.4 (sometimes lower, depending on the issue), or just one in 9.8. For SA, I am pretty happy getting an 8.5 or higher, and have submitted books expecting lower grades than that. And with golden oldies, I think the overall appearance is more important than the grade (and when it comes down to it, isn't that what we should use as the deciding factor when buying any comic?). | ||
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| I got A Darth Vader action figure variant signed and the actor touched the pen to the bottom left corner very slightly. That was the only grader note. Its a 9.6 | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo I said in an earlier thread, I believe we’re in the “Cover/Variant Age”. Some of us still read comics. But regardless how u collect, I agree on your last statement. I have a Dark Phoenix 8.5 that sits more like a 9.2. To some the grade is important but to me it looks great in a slab and it presents beautifully! To each their own of course. |
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| There was a similar thread a few months ago. I'll stand by what I said there in that I hate getting a 9.6 because it's just so close to a 9.8 thats its disappointing to get the grade. A 9.4? Hey at least I'm in near mint. A 9.6? Congratulations, you almost didn't suck. However I bought my first cgc 9.6 on eBay this week for the specific reason you mentioned above. There was practically a $100 difference between 9.8s and 9.6s. It wasn't a real crucial book. Just one I've wanted for my collection so I just decided I can save $100 and have a nice looking 9.6. I'm trying to remind myself that a 9.6 is still a NM+ book. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Themaxx35 The daily struggle. Some books you can literally save hundreds of dollars by bumping the .2 grade down. I hear ya though. I think the thing with grading is even if you set the bar low, they go high on you. Or if you set the bar too high, they go low on you LOL that's been my experience. I had a Gambit that I was sure was barely gonna pull a 9 and it hit the NM mark so, sometimes it's nice to be surprised going the other way. But when I send in a new modern with not a scratch on it and it pulls that 9.6!?! "So . . .So much . . . flames. . flames on the side of my face"   |
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| The difference of the level of physical preservation of a typical 9.6 and a typical 9.8 does not justify that market's madness when it comes to the difference in price. That said, that's probably not ever going to change, unfortunately. It is, however, one of the main reasons why a "9.7" grade...and 9.5, 9.3, and 9.1...ought to be established. "There's no need!!" some have bellowed over the years. "It will just confuse people more!!" Except that the coin market has had these types of grades...MS60-MS70...for nearly 40 years, with no problems...and there are even "in between" grades of those, too. If a 9.8 copy of a book is $20,000, and a 9.6 is $6,000...then a 9.7 would have no problem in the $10-$15k range. |
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| That said, any book post 1980 needs to be 9.8, or it goes away (for me.) I have no problem thinking a 9.8 is worth $500, but experience a bit of cognitive dissonance when I see that a 9.6 of the same book is worth $200. I have rejected many books in my collection from being signed and subbed, or just straight subbed, because they weren't 9.8s, and therefore "weren't worth it." Example: Tales of the Teen Titans #44 (they should have stuck with NTT, but I digress)..a 9.8 is a $250-$300 book...but I'd run across 9.6s, and say "pass. Junk."...when, in reality, a 9.6 is a solid $100 book, and well worth the cost to slab. But I just can't deal with not 9.8s for any book from 1980-up. Nope. |
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| Honestly in most cases you could resubmit a 9.6 for regrading and have a high chance of getting a 9.8 back. It just depends on the grader, time of day, how many glasses of scotch he has had, etc. | ||
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| The irrational chase and over paying for contemporary 9.8 books as oppose to 9.6 copies is utterly daft! Especially given many (if not most) are manufactured NM/M 9.8 books via the press and other manipulation. I laugh at this endeavor  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Same here. The only exception I make to that rule is for some newsstand books, where a 9.8 is incredibly difficult to find, and in that case 9.4 is my threshold. Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot Some people just like books to be as perfect as possible. It also makes moderns worth chasing, as it eliminates 90+% of the piles of books out there. The price of a 9.8 vs 9.6 is just set by supply and demand. Maybe I'm daft as you say, but I enjoy the chase and that makes it all worth it   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Why is that I wonder?? Because they were out in the open, on the stand for the gremlins to get at?? Spine stress and ticks on newsstands are a mainstay so I could see why this would be a fun chase also. |
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| @DocBrown Did they ever switch around the grading scale or has it always been the same since the birth of OSPG or the third parties?? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by NilesPaine We can speculate, but no clue for sure. Also of note is that even in years that newsstand books were printed in far greater numbers, they are still much harder to find in 9.8 than a direct. I would surmise that a big reason for it is *most people buying off the newsstand were not collectors. And you're right; it IS incredibly fun to chase them |
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| @shrewbeer I happened upon some Uncanny Newstands recently in I wouldn't say 9.8 but they were pretty spicy. Some things I see more of than others in the wild naturally. I wonder who on these forums has been mad enough to start a double run of directs and newsstands. . . |
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Quote:Originally Posted by NilesPaine Lol, mad? Maybe I have the double run of all Supes from 1st app Doomsday to the death, funeral, return of the four, and culminating to the one. For X-Men, I did a small run #281 (new team) up to #6. The #1s, all 4 covers abcd in newswstand were a BEAR to find in 9.8 quality. I wouldnt sell those for 5k if someone offered, and most people consider those books almost dollar bin value |
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| @shrewbeer I'll bet. X-men in general are hard to find in even NM+ and up. There's tons of issues out there but like you said 85% and up won't grade. You know what I bet would be a beast of a newsstand high grade run?? The New Mutants. Even the popular 98 and 87 I usually see MAYBE 1:20 CGC 9.8. I'll bet some of the older issues would be how my days would end if I attempted it.  |
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Would you prefer 9.6 or 9.6 with checkmark?  |
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| I have experienced what @shrewbeer has stated here. And to make my point short, the only time I questioned why a comic received a grade LOWER than I personally thought it deserved... It was graded by CBCS. The CGC graded pieces I had only resulted in one looking like it deserved that grade. The remaining three either looked 9.6 or had QC issues that might drop it from its 9.8 status. Which is why I have decided that unless the condition justifies the price, I am going to take my chances and have any raw comics I choose to buy be graded. Because if I am going to dish out extra money for a .2 difference, I want to see that .2 difference. Just like I want to see little-to-no wear when I buy a "brand new" vintage video game (which is a different topic, and one I had eBay's help on). |
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| Have to admit. When it comes to copper or modern books. I will not settle for less than a CBCS 9.8, when buying already graded and slabbed. It's just a mental thing, but it is there. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak It’s healthy to be a little mental. We collect comics after all!  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KingNampa If it has a spine tick, take the grade you got and run. Never resubmit a book that has a color breaking tick or corner damage expecting a 9.8. When I submit books, I am with others never expect a 9.8. Chances are they'll find something. I will say that when I have received 9.6s I've studied the book very closely and there has always been at least one, somed two, visible defects...I use that knowledge and experience when deciding what to send in for grading as well as when I buy a modern off the rack. I have to admit I would consider 95% of new comics on the rack to be no better than 9.6 as the have some sort of small corner damage or tick. Very rare to find a modern without. |
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