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| Without doubt this is a high grade book - but how high. I have an opinion - seller has an opinion - I would like to hear your opinion - even though I am pretty sure what the grade is going to be. There is some ink transfer top left corner and excess printer ink top back cover. There are what appears to be small creases top right and bottom left corner and what appears to be a blunt corner bottom spine. Close up picture are presented      |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| Most of the book's sins are in the top left corner which is the only corner without a close up. I would add close-ups with the front and back of that corner for a more accurate grade. |
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two additional pictures  |
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| @poka Defects: 1) Blunted Top Right Corner 2) Cover Wear Along Bottom Right Edge 3) Staple Indent/Color-Break Top-Mid Left 4) Ink Soil Top Left Front Cover 5) Dirt OR Wear In The Middle Of "WEREWOLF" 6) Bottom Left Spine Smush 7) Top Back Cover Ink Spread 8) Back Cover Staple Indent I would ask him for interior pictures to confirm page color, and also for the centerfold so we can see the attachment of those staples. I would need that information to make an estimate. Cool book! |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by comic_book_man In addition to the ink, the top left corner is mis-shapened, warped, or otherwise damaged. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by comic_book_man pls see additional photo - you may assume that paper is OW-W - as this is a thick book centerfold won't matter. the cover is glued to the spine and stapled through the book - see pictures   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego we are not that low but thanks for chipping in |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka If the grading company ignores the ink as a manufacturer defect, 7-8. If they do not, I agree with Darth. |
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Pages look nice and the front is honestly not bad at a glance. The back and corner is what makes it pretty rough and the little minor defects would add up. Or subtract I guess depending how you like your eggs. All opinion based of course but I would say a 6 tops give or take a .5 on a good day with a happy grader.  I can't see it going higher than that though. Nice book and good luck! |
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| if it was not a key issue i would almost buy it and get it graded just for the sake of the experiment. i am at 8-8.5 on this one - the key question to me is the printer ink - i would consider it as a msnufacoring defect - but it is severe but on the other hand not uncommon for books from this age. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Well yes. I was considering in the ink factor, bc it is there. BUT, I could see a 7.5+ if they disregarded that. I have no clue what grading policies are on stuff like that. If I was you, I would either have the seller or yourself Pre Screen it or even Raw Grade it just so you could get a ballpark of what it might be. There's a big difference even for a personal collection between a 6 or lower and an 8+!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka That's distributor ink at the top of the book. Overstreet's glossary states that distributor ink is not a defect. |
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| @poka Quote: Originally Posted by Redshade I'm at 8.0 - 8.5 assuming that's manufacturing ink. Otherwise I would only pay Mid-Grade money for this book to take the risk. The interior pages are nice, and the staples are tight. Is that spine coming unglued at the bottom? There are risks involved, and risks do not demand full price...in my opinion.   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by comic_book_man I agree with this 100%. I've seen this sort of "defect" on plenty of books but not as severe. It almost appears as if it maybe had some water/liquid damage and thats why it ran like that?? Usually it just outlines the corner at the top. Almost looks like a barcode. Not necessarily runny like that. But then I wonder why the pages wouldn't have caught some of it to??? *scratches head* |
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| In my opinion, usually the dealers ink is not a big hit. But I think for this book it would take a hit due to it going from one side corner all along the top then going down the spine. With all other defects, I think 5.5-6.5 | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by FUEGOMUSIC I agree with everything you say here. When quoting Overstreet I was not endorsing or agreeing with their opinion. When it is as excessive as this with the moisture content of the coloured spray causing so much discolouration and rippling then it has to be taken into account when grading. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade Agreed. Like I said, I wouldn't pay over mid-grade since you'll be rolling the dice. @poka Did you buy it? |
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| That's a pretty heavy dose of distributor's ink. Probably the worst I've ever seen. That usually doesn't affect the grade by itself, but in this case I don't know. | ||
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| @comic_book_man yes I bought it but have agreed with seller to return it. The spine/cover is firmly attached to the book. I could live with the ink and print smear but not with the two creases and the spine indent which was not possible to see from the pictures. Thanks everyone. |
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| I wonder what CBCS's stance is on this? Mr Ricketts used to guide us on such matters but he seems to be not as active since he moved to Pressing. We know that you are probably very busy in your new position Steve but there's always time to chill out, otherwise you get burn out . |
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| That much distributor ink will affect the grade of the book. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade How's that?  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts How's what? We seem to agree that Overstreet's rather arbitrary pronouncement is just that : An opinion. I have seen old books, almost as if the spraying has been in powder form with no moisture at all. |
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| Distributors ink is intentional and cleanly applied, that much ink is a yuge error. | ||
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 CBCS broke up with me over Facebook.
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka That amount of ink will get hit, not hard, but you will get hit for it. I have sent in books that looked 9.4 in technical appearance that graded 8.0/8.5 due to intrusive DI. Square bound spines can look uneven, and I have received 9.8's on books with pretty puckered spines. What you need to look at is if paper was lost due to the ink causing the book to stick to one next to it. The scan shows some fuzziness, but you would need to verify that. The staple indents are very common on these books. I had a 9.4 copy this issue that had two small holes from the staples. Some ink transfer on FC. Small color breaking creases. Heavy intrusive DI Color loss around staples FC. Overall a copy that has nice presentation and would grade out in the 7.0 range if they hit the ink hard. |
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| @CFP_Comics thanks Joe | ||
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