CBCS Case Swap video Real?3983

Originally Posted by Hexigore
Are people just trying to see how long they can keep this thread alive? I think all views have been stated. It just looks like idle debate now whereby there is no resolution to be found. Until CBCS chimes in, this is all academic. Just saying.

Originally Posted by DocBrown
And I think this needs to be said again, at the risk of the eye-rolls and memes from the peanut gallery:

There's no need to panic. You are your own best ally against fraud attempted against you, by learning how to grade for yourself.

Yes, it's tough to tell the difference between a 9.6 and a 9.8 sometimes. And yes, it's even tougher to tell the difference between a 6.0 and a 7.0.

And yes, there is still the very serious issue of restored books swapped out with unrestored labels, in the same grade. Those are, by nature, almost always impossible to tell just from examination of the case, and for that alone, this issue must be addressed.

But you can prevent the "low hanging fruit" of someone swapping a 9.2 for a 9.8 almost all of the time, just by learning how to grade.

If you learn to trust your own eyes, you won't have to rely on other people telling you what the grade should be. You can, instead, agree with them, which is the far superior position to be in. You need not become an expert; anyone can learn to grade well enough to prevent much fraud if they just spend some time looking at a lot of different books in a lot of different slabs, and studying the various grading guides that exist.

You can be your own best ally in fraud prevention.

Originally Posted by DrWatson
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
I dont think this is nearly a "stop the presses" type problem though

No kidding. Not when there are literally millions of graded books from the cgc that have exactly the same issue, if not worse.

Originally Posted by DarthLego
CGC is irrelevant. This conversation is not about CGC.

Originally Posted by Thanatos
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
And I think this needs to be said again, at the risk of the eye-rolls and memes from the peanut gallery:

There's no need to panic. You are your own best ally against fraud attempted against you, by learning how to grade for yourself.

Yes, it's tough to tell the difference between a 9.6 and a 9.8 sometimes. And yes, it's even tougher to tell the difference between a 6.0 and a 7.0.

And yes, there is still the very serious issue of restored books swapped out with unrestored labels, in the same grade. Those are, by nature, almost always impossible to tell just from examination of the case, and for that alone, this issue must be addressed.

But you can prevent the "low hanging fruit" of someone swapping a 9.2 for a 9.8 almost all of the time, just by learning how to grade.

If you learn to trust your own eyes, you won't have to rely on other people telling you what the grade should be. You can, instead, agree with them, which is the far superior position to be in. You need not become an expert; anyone can learn to grade well enough to prevent much fraud if they just spend some time looking at a lot of different books in a lot of different slabs, and studying the various grading guides that exist.

You can be your own best ally in fraud prevention.

We all know this hobby of ours can be quite addicting and time consuming, but I don't think you are addressing the needs of the casual collector. I think you're right that it's not hard to become a proficient eye ball grader, however, not everyone spends their day on a comic grading forum or reading the Overstreet Grading Guide. Some people just want to buy slabbed comics because they look nice and they TRUST that the grading companies are providing an accurately graded and secure product so they don't have to spend their time learning the minute specifics of grading. I understand your point but not everyone is as gung-ho about eye ball grading and inspecting comics as you are.

You've alluded to it yourself, I'm not a good eyeball grader and though I've only been doing this for a few years I like to think I can tell the difference between a low/mid/high grade comic but I'm not going to get into the weeds between a 9.6 and 9.8, that's what CBCS is for. I enjoy buying slabbed comics because it's suppose to do all the heavy lifting for me. If it's come to the point where I have to double check the work and question the QC of professionals to verify the authenticity and grade of my comic, then why am I paying to get it slabbed at all? CBCS should have designed their cases from the beginning assuming people suck and would attempt to tamper with them for their own gain.

Also, gov computers hate this forum. Non-stop crashing.

edit: crashing deleted part of a sentence in the 2nd paragraph, bolded that extra bit if you already read the post.

Originally Posted by DocBrown
Yes, it's tough to tell the difference between a 9.6 and a 9.8 sometimes....But you can prevent the "low hanging fruit" of someone swapping a 9.2 for a 9.8 almost all of the time, just by learning how to grade.

Originally Posted by DocBrown
You need not become an expert; anyone can learn to grade well enough to prevent much fraud if they just spend some time looking at a lot of different books in a lot of different slabs, and studying the various grading guides that exist.

Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by Thanatos
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
And I think this needs to be said again, at the risk of the eye-rolls and memes from the peanut gallery:

There's no need to panic. You are your own best ally against fraud attempted against you, by learning how to grade for yourself.

Yes, it's tough to tell the difference between a 9.6 and a 9.8 sometimes. And yes, it's even tougher to tell the difference between a 6.0 and a 7.0.

And yes, there is still the very serious issue of restored books swapped out with unrestored labels, in the same grade. Those are, by nature, almost always impossible to tell just from examination of the case, and for that alone, this issue must be addressed.

But you can prevent the "low hanging fruit" of someone swapping a 9.2 for a 9.8 almost all of the time, just by learning how to grade.

If you learn to trust your own eyes, you won't have to rely on other people telling you what the grade should be. You can, instead, agree with them, which is the far superior position to be in. You need not become an expert; anyone can learn to grade well enough to prevent much fraud if they just spend some time looking at a lot of different books in a lot of different slabs, and studying the various grading guides that exist.

You can be your own best ally in fraud prevention.

We all know this hobby of ours can be quite addicting and time consuming, but I don't think you are addressing the needs of the casual collector. I think you're right that it's not hard to become a proficient eye ball grader, however, not everyone spends their day on a comic grading forum or reading the Overstreet Grading Guide. Some people just want to buy slabbed comics because they look nice and they TRUST that the grading companies are providing an accurately graded and secure product so they don't have to spend their time learning the minute specifics of grading. I understand your point but not everyone is as gung-ho about eye ball grading and inspecting comics as you are.

You've alluded to it yourself, I'm not a good eyeball grader and though I've only been doing this for a few years I like to think I can tell the difference between a low/mid/high grade comic but I'm not going to get into the weeds between a 9.6 and 9.8, that's what CBCS is for. I enjoy buying slabbed comics because it's suppose to do all the heavy lifting for me. If it's come to the point where I have to double check the work and question the QC of professionals to verify the authenticity and grade of my comic, then why am I paying to get it slabbed at all? CBCS should have designed their cases from the beginning assuming people suck and would attempt to tamper with them for their own gain.

Also, gov computers hate this forum. Non-stop crashing.

edit: crashing deleted part of a sentence in the 2nd paragraph, bolded that extra bit if you already read the post.

Did you read what I wrote? I get the sense that you didn't read what I wrote, or, if so, really absorb it.

Here's the pertinent parts, with added emphasis:

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Originally Posted by DocBrown
Yes, it's tough to tell the difference between a 9.6 and a 9.8 sometimes....But you can prevent the "low hanging fruit" of someone swapping a 9.2 for a 9.8 almost all of the time, just by learning how to grade.

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Originally Posted by DocBrown
You need not become an expert; anyone can learn to grade well enough to prevent much fraud if they just spend some time looking at a lot of different books in a lot of different slabs, and studying the various grading guides that exist.

If you are a proficient grader, no one is slipping a 9.2 disguised as a 9.8 past you, 99% of the time.

The advice is sound: if you have the time (and resources) to be spending money on these, you owe it to YOURSELF to learn what you can to protect yourself against fraud. If you don't have time to learn how to grade, you PROBABLY don't have time to spend significant amounts of money on slabs, OR you simply accept the risks involved (and there's nothing wrong with this latter approach, by the way.)

Are you really arguing AGAINST people becoming proficient (NOT EXPERT) graders...? Are you really arguing for people to blindly trust someone else's opinion, rather than coming to an agreement with them about it...?

You're making my point about people trusting much too heavily on a SUBJECTIVE OPINION. Doing so will almost certainly lead to harm, at some level, in some way.

As for "CBCS should have designed their cases from the beginning assuming people suck and would attempt to tamper with them for their own gain."...that's not fair to CBCS. They most certainly DID do this, but no one can possibly account for all the clever ways in which fraud can be committed.

The fact that it took three years for this to become public says something about their design. But it's just plain insulting to say that CBCS didn't design their cases with potential fraud in mind. Of course they did.

Originally Posted by Mef
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Originally Posted by MR_SigS
#doublestandard

Tell us how you really feel. Or is this not the proper... forum for that.

I know you got some opinions!

Originally Posted by IronMan
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Originally Posted by ONLINE_209

LOL

Stealing this

Originally Posted by MR_SigS
I'm not stopping you.

Originally Posted by DocBrown
I've discussed my opinion about CBCS on the CBCS forum multiple times.

Here, I'll say it again: I support CBCS, and its place in the comic industry. I think CBCS is and has been desperately needed, because "functional monopolies" learn very quickly that they don't have to listen to customer criticism. CBCS has done wonders in this respect, and I fully support it continuing these efforts, while realistically acknowledging that no company is without fault, and despite marketing claims, doesn't have room for improvement.

Why are you trying to stir up trouble? It's Saturday...go to the park or something.