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Collector 3.2K	3.2K Thanatos private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Getting upset about this doesn't help you. No one berated you. What would be berating is if someone had said "OP is an idiot who doesn't know how to grade, and doesn't belong buying big boy comics until he learns." That would be berating. That's not what anyone did. Nevertheless, again...your expectations were unreasonable. It was very nice that the seller accepted the return, but that doesn't change the fact that your expectations were unreasonable, and you didn't have good cause to return it. If you don't like detached centerfolds, it is UP TO YOU to make sure the books you're buying don't have them BEFORE buying them. Otherwise, you have no right to expect anyone to accommodate your specific requirements if books have flaws that are acceptable within the grade range given. And you are quite incorrect if you believe that CGC mentions "detached at one staple" centerfolds all the time. They do not. Noted.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. 31.7K	31.7K drchaos private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego There's a no returns option in the settings when you list something. What does eBay do if a seller clearly selected no returns? If they force the return, then why does the option exist? Unless the items is slabbed the buyer can force a return by filing an item not as described claim. Not much the seller can do about it.
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COLLECTOR 13.32K	13.32K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown he option exists to deter returns, but if the buyer claims the item isn't as described...whether it is or is not is immaterial...eBay will force a return, always, regardless of a seller's policy I dont know for sure about comic books, but I know that this is not true on sales in other areas. I gave up hunting and sold a very nice $900 bow for $300. It was in great shape. Buyer had remorse for some reason and claimed not as described (truth is I had remorse for selling it so cheap, bit a sale is a sale!) I had clear pictures of the item, I hid nothing; I told him to pound sand, and after a quick email exchange with ebay they did as well. As for the OP, I gotta side with @Thanatos on this one. Buying a slab you essentially buy the label. End of story, you know the grade, the seller cannot reasonably know all the defects, and thats it. Buying raw, its on the seller to tell you everything (within reason) thats wrong with it; not just the "grade".
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COLLECTOR 13.32K	13.32K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	I would have to add, however, that "reasonable" is relative. I bought a SG #1 from a guy that listed it as "a cool book someone might like to have, its in very good condition!". He had never sold a comic before, and obviously didnt know what "very good" actually meant in our little world. From the pictures it looked NM! I won it for a song. It came in ROLLED UP wrapped in newspaper, and the condition was G at best. I had to laugh, and I wasnt going to return it; he didnt deserve that. I knew the risk.
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown he option exists to deter returns, but if the buyer claims the item isn't as described...whether it is or is not is immaterial...eBay will force a return, always, regardless of a seller's policy I dont know for sure about comic books, but I know that this is not true on sales in other areas. I gave up hunting and sold a very nice $900 bow for $300. It was in great shape. Buyer had remorse for some reason and claimed not as described (truth is I had remorse for selling it so cheap, bit a sale is a sale!) I had clear pictures of the item, I hid nothing; I told him to pound sand, and after a quick email exchange with ebay they did as well. As for the OP, I gotta side with @Thanatos on this one. Buying a slab you essentially buy the label. End of story, you know the grade, the seller cannot reasonably know all the defects, and thats it. Buying raw, its on the seller to tell you everything (within reason) thats wrong with it; not just the "grade". If you expect the seller to tell you everything ("within reason", which means different things to different people, as this very case demonstrates) that's wrong with it, there's no point in having a grade, or a grading system. Right? "Good", "Fine", "Near Mint," etc., were invented so buyers and sellers could have an idea of what the physical condition of a book is, without being required to list all the wear and tear a book has. Requiring a seller to list all, or even most, of the flaws defeats the purpose of having a grading system, and is a step backwards. And...on a VG book, there is generally such an accumulation of flaws that no one is going to read such a description anyways. If there is a specific flaw that bothers an individual, it is incumbent on that individual to communicate with the seller to find out if that book has that flaw prior to purchase. That's not only not unreasonable, it's common sense, and will avoid people paying unnecessary expense. In this case, the seller went above and beyond, and if they ended up out of pocket on this transaction, lost money to make a buyer happy, even more so. The buyer made an unreasonable return, and the seller should be commended. And while it's true that a seller CAN fight a not as described claim, and even win, as you say you did, the vast majority of the time, eBay is going to side with buyers, because that's their corporate policy, and has been for quite some time. They believe that buyers and their satisfaction is the paramount concern of the company, and have aggressively and persistently given that policy teeth throughout the company over the past decade. Nowhere is that policy more obvious than the fact that on every single listing, right below the shipping information, is their "money back guarantee", which says, in plain language, "get the item you ordered, or get your money back", along with a link to their description page about it: https://pages.ebay.com/ebay-money-back-guarantee/
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COLLECTOR 13.32K	13.32K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown They believe that buyers and their satisfaction is the paramount concern of the company As well they should, for their business model. Ebay has no problem attracting sellers. Buyers, however, are the premium product.
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Collector 3.2K	3.2K Thanatos private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown he option exists to deter returns, but if the buyer claims the item isn't as described...whether it is or is not is immaterial...eBay will force a return, always, regardless of a seller's policy I dont know for sure about comic books, but I know that this is not true on sales in other areas. I gave up hunting and sold a very nice $900 bow for $300. It was in great shape. Buyer had remorse for some reason and claimed not as described (truth is I had remorse for selling it so cheap, bit a sale is a sale!) I had clear pictures of the item, I hid nothing; I told him to pound sand, and after a quick email exchange with ebay they did as well. As for the OP, I gotta side with @Thanatos on this one. Buying a slab you essentially buy the label. End of story, you know the grade, the seller cannot reasonably know all the defects, and thats it. Buying raw, its on the seller to tell you everything (within reason) thats wrong with it; not just the "grade". If you expect the seller to tell you everything ("within reason", which means different things to different people, as this very case demonstrates) that's wrong with it, there's no point in having a grade, or a grading system. Right? "Good", "Fine", "Near Mint," etc., were invented so buyers and sellers could have an idea of what the physical condition of a book is, without being required to list all the wear and tear a book has. Requiring a seller to list all, or even most, of the flaws defeats the purpose of having a grading system, and is a step backwards. And...on a VG book, there is generally such an accumulation of flaws that no one is going to read such a description anyways. If there is a specific flaw that bothers an individual, it is incumbent on that individual to communicate with the seller to find out if that book has that flaw prior to purchase. That's not only not unreasonable, it's common sense, and will avoid people paying unnecessary expense. In this case, the seller went above and beyond, and if they ended up out of pocket on this transaction, lost money to make a buyer happy, even more so. The buyer made an unreasonable return, and the seller should be commended. And while it's true that a seller CAN fight a not as described claim, and even win, as you say you did, the vast majority of the time, eBay is going to side with buyers, because that's their corporate policy, and has been for quite some time. They believe that buyers and their satisfaction is the paramount concern of the company, and have aggressively and persistently given that policy teeth throughout the company over the past decade. Nowhere is that policy more obvious than the fact that on every single listing, right below the shipping information, is their "money back guarantee", which says, in plain language, "get the item you ordered, or get your money back", along with a link to their description page about it: https://pages.ebay.com/ebay-money-back-guarantee/ We get it. You NEED to be right at least 100% of the time. Your way or the highway right? You have your reasonable expections, I have my unreasonable ones. Noted. Move along.
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown They believe that buyers and their satisfaction is the paramount concern of the company As well they should, for their business model. Ebay has no problem attracting sellers. Buyers, however, are the premium product. I don't disagree with you, to a degree. It's always been a difficult balance to maintain: sellers pay for everything, but without buyers, there are no sellers. Getting rid of negative/neutral feedback for buyers was a very positive, wise step in the right direction. Buyers don't need feedback; it's why Amazon doesn't have any for them. It was a remnant of their quasi-utopian nonsense ideology that "we believe everybody is good, and will do the right thing, given the ability to communicate!" That that was nonsense was proven to me within weeks of joining eBay in 1998, when you could leave negative feedback for anyone, at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all, and "davidallanhrushka1973", a madman, left me a neg on my sparkly brand new account for telling him to pound sand after spamming all his bidders (when you could get e-mail addresses for ALL your bidders...wasn't eBay FUN back then...?) with screeds that would make my posts look like one-liners, about how stupid everyone was for not paying his reserve prices, and they'd better act now, because they weren't going to get the chance like this again! Every listing you bid on would result in such an e-mail, because his reserves were ludicrous for the time period (late 90's.) If you had the misfortune of bidding on, say, 15 of his auctions, you got 15 identical e-mails, telling you that you were collectively fools for not paying his prices. So, I sent him an e-mail saying that there was a reason his reserves aren't met, and he was spamming everyone, so kindly knock it off. So, he left me a neg. And, of course, foolish, young, naive me thought "well that's not right. eBay will do something about this, right...?" lol lol lol lol So I didn't retaliate in kind, and patiently waited for eBay to take it off...remember, feedback wasn't even tied to a transaction at this point...and as you can see, two decades later, I'm still waiting. No, history has shown beyond any doubt that their foolish "philosophy" isn't true, and sellers were leaving that feedback out of vengeance. Very few people check a buyer's feedback before selling to them, and even if they do, it's impossible to do so in a Buy It Now situation. It only served to satisfy a seller's bloodlust; nothing more. One can swing from one extreme to the other.
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Thanatos We get it. You NEED to be right at least 100% of the time. Your way or the highway right? You have your reasonable expections, I have my unreasonable ones. Noted. Move along. That was a reply to shrewbeer, not you. If others wish to discuss it, they have the ability to, don't they? As for you, you can choose to be offended, or you can choose to say "yeah, ok, I made an error in judgment, I shouldn't have done that, and will try not to do that in the future", even if it's only to yourself. Your choice. There's no "we" about it. Everyone here speaks for themselves, and doesn't need anyone to bolster support by invoking them.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by Bontchimuz I have received books in horrid shape but I always just keep them. I also sell a lot of books and do not offer returns. Such is the game of buying comics through UPS, USPS etc But, to each their own.... Do you sell books on eBay? If so, how do you get around the fact that eBay forces all sellers to accept returns in virtually every case? Yes I sell all types of stuff and never offer returns. I have had some people ask me to return but I never do and have never had ebay "force me to"....not sure if they can force a seller to return when the seller specifically discloses no returns.....either way it hasn't been issue for me in over a decade. But again, to each their own...I would most likely offer a return if someone was nice and respectful to me in their request to return something. There will always be another buyer for practically anything on earth....patience always wins the day. And my GOD ... lots of people with lots of free time in here huh? The walls of text have ruined my eyes for today ;/
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. 27.18K	27.18K kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Bontchimuz And my GOD ... The walls of text have ruined my eyes
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I have received books in horrid shape but I always just keep them. I also sell a lot of books and do not offer returns.

Such is the game of buying comics through UPS, USPS etc

But, to each their own....

Do you sell books on eBay? If so, how do you get around the fact that eBay forces all sellers to accept returns in virtually every case?

Yes I sell all types of stuff and never offer returns. I have had some people ask me to return but I never do and have never had ebay "force me to"....not sure if they can force a seller to return when the seller specifically discloses no returns.....either way it hasn't been issue for me in over a decade. But again, to each their own...I would most likely offer a return if someone was nice and respectful to me in their request to return something. There will always be another buyer for practically anything on earth....patience always wins the day.

I suspect you've never had anyone open a "not as described" claim against you...? They can force, and have forced, sellers to take returns when they decide they agree with the buyer's claim of "not as described", even if the seller states "no returns"...and that bar is very low.

The only time I've ever denied a return claim (and ultimately didn't deny it) was when someone opened up a claim 37 days after receiving the item.

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And my GOD ... lots of people with lots of free time in here huh? The walls of text have ruined my eyes for today ;/

Not everyone one-finger pecks when typing...

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COLLECTOR 3.3K	3.3K JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@Thanatos I have no problem with you sending the book back. A popped staple on the cover or centerfold is pretty important. That is the structure of the book and is something that should be notes if someone shows interest and digs deeper into the info of a book they're interested in buying. It wasn't like you hit a BIN on a VG book and it showed up and end of story. No you took the initiative to ask for more info on the book. That is the time the seller should have made it known then that the centerfold was popped from one staple. One more thing is maybe the seller didn't know it was popped or if they did maybe they didn't want to let a buyer know so they could just unload a book not very structurally sound.
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