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| I look at selling/ buying raw books like this; if you are at a shop or con, you get to handle and inspect the book prior to purchase and if you detect something that's a deal breaker for you, you can try to negotiate a new price or say "no thank you" and hand the book back and move on. When selling raw books online I should give the customer that same courtesy and benefit of the doubt. (I'm not even going to go into what happens when scammer seller meets scammer buyer, that's a whole new can of worms to open up.) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Thanatos The point of grading is to alleviate the necessity to enumerate every flaw a book has. Therefore, so long as the book is within the range of the grade given, there's nothing shady about not disclosing a common, typical defect, which this certainly is. And...if the listing only had one picture, and that was a sticking point with you, what were you doing making offers on the book at all? That should have been a red flag that this seller wasn't the most detail oriented. If I were selling this comic, I may mention it, I may not. I probably would, but that doesn't mean this seller was "shady" for not doing so. Again, the whole reason why the grading scale was developed in the first place was so that sellers wouldn't have to exhaustively detail all the flaws a specific book might have. In the VG grade, it's to be expected that the centerfold might be entirely detached. I've seen books graded as high as 8.5 have the bottom staple of the centerfold detached. If the book was graded "VF" or "NM", you'd have a case. At "VG", however, and we're in the realm of "typical for the grade." And...were you buying a "4.0" slab, the centerfold could be detached, and you wouldn't know, unless it was mentioned in the notes (which isn't always the case), or you opened the slab. This seller didn't do anything wrong. Your expectations were a little higher than reasonable, in this case. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Homer Yes, if there's something that's a deal breaker for you, you ought to be very clear about that to any prospective seller. I've said "hi...is this book brittle at all?" because that's a deal breaker for me. And, on the occasion that some have said yes, I've said "thanks!" and kept on going. No seller can possibly know the "deal breakers" for every potential buyer. If it matters to you, be proactive and ask. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bontchimuz Do you sell books on eBay? If so, how do you get around the fact that eBay forces all sellers to accept returns in virtually every case? |
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| There's a no returns option in the settings when you list something. What does eBay do if a seller clearly selected no returns? If they force the return, then why does the option exist? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I agree. The seller didn't do anything wrong nor was there anything shady about it. Seems like the OP needs to learn how to grade raw copies as centerfolds can be detached at one staple on VG copies. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Why do birds...suddenly appear...? Every time....you are near....? The option exists to deter returns, but if the buyer claims the item isn't as described...whether it is or is not is immaterial...eBay will force a return, always, regardless of a seller's policy. I've had a small handful of buyers initiate returns because the "slab was open on the sides", and they thought it was "tampered with." Those are the most fun. Explaining to these people that "no, that's how there were made" usually works, but sometimes, these buyers can be persnickity. One buyer returned a slab because the spine had a NCB spine tick on a 9.8. I offer no contest returns, by the way, on everything (not "no questions asked", because I always want to know why.) If the buyer isn't happy with it, I'm not interested in forcing it on them. That's bad business. |
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| No matter how many pictures are shown or how many words are used, there's still no substitute for having an item in hand. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DE Hey buddy, Perhaps you didn't read where I agreed that the grade is accurately graded at VG or when I mentioned that I actually asked the seller for more details and scans regarding the comic before submitting an offer or maybe you just like to try to berate people for not being as comic savvy as you are almighty @50AE_DE the renown "comic god". I don't like detached centerfolds. Period. I expect a seller to disclose this. It's not as evident from scans as spine ticks or color breaking creases or water stains but it's obvious to a buyer if they see the inside. "DOESN'T MATTER @THANATOS BECAUSE IT'S VGGGGG, THE SELLER SAID IT WAS VG...HE'S NOT WRONG! YOU'RE WRONG." Power down World of Warcraft, take the hot pocket out of your mouth and listen. This is what the seller provided in his listing: "book is in VG condition check out scans of the actual book. book is complete with no pages or cutouts missing" "Scans" meant a single scan of the front cover. Knowing that VG can mean any number of defects, I immediately offered him above market value based on my expert grading skills and paid cash. No. Not even a little. I asked the seller for more scans and to give significantly more details about this comic. He quickly provided spine pictures and a back cover scan and mentioned the spine roll and the 1" spine split at the bottom of the comic. The spine wear and bottom edge wear are apparent and he obviously didn't think he needed to explain that. Understandable, VG. Copy. Roger. Unfortunately, what he didn't mention was the detached centerfold and next wrap. Something that is not discernable from a front/back cover scan and I presume any decent seller would mention this if being questioned about the comic's defects. This wasn't a guy living in his parents basement, it was a legit brick and mortar comic shop and I mistakenly assumed they would mention something as significant as this to me. It's not significant? It's significant enough that CBCS and CGC mention it separately on their slabs, something they don't do for smaller spine splits, tears, stains and spine ticks. If you like detached centerfolds, be my guest. Buy them to your hearts content, I don't like it. I don't want my slab to have a "centerfold detached" inscription distracting me from the rest of the book, my life, my money, my preference. If you think the seller is in the right, good for you. He accepted my return. That's all that matters to me. If you think I need to get better at grading raw copies, you are probably right which is why I use this forum to ask advice of some great people. You must be a professional, so please take your high horse where everyone is a perfect and can recognize detached centerfolds through FC/BC scans and go elsewhere. |
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| @Thanatos I'm glad you and the seller reached a resolution after you disclosed your disappointment in the purchase. As far as I can tell, you and the seller have done the right thing and worked together in good faith concerning the outcome of this transaction. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Thanatos So you're saying you would appreciate full disclosure? That's a novel concept. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Good question and trust me, sellers who pick that option don't care for the rude awakening they get when they're forced to accept a return. I love how eBay works now. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510I have no problem buying from sellers who think they don't take returns. Cause guess what they do they just don't know it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Thanatos Getting upset about this doesn't help you. No one berated you. What would be berating is if someone had said "OP is an idiot who doesn't know how to grade, and doesn't belong buying big boy comics until he learns." That would be berating. That's not what anyone did. Nevertheless, again...your expectations were unreasonable. It was very nice that the seller accepted the return, but that doesn't change the fact that your expectations were unreasonable, and you didn't have good cause to return it. If you don't like detached centerfolds, it is UP TO YOU to make sure the books you're buying don't have them BEFORE buying them. Otherwise, you have no right to expect anyone to accommodate your specific requirements if books have flaws that are acceptable within the grade range given. And you are quite incorrect if you believe that CGC mentions "detached at one staple" centerfolds all the time. They do not. |
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| And why does everybody gotta live in the basement...? Can't the attic work, too...? What if my parents don't HAVE a basement...? This is California, you know, we don't have many basements here....  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle Amen |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Thanatos Lighten up a little. If you made an offer for the books after he sent you scans and minimal details of the book then it's on you. Maybe next time instead of blaming the seller, you'll learn spend a little more time with asking the seller the right questions. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Totally agree with you on this. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Noted. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Unless the items is slabbed the buyer can force a return by filing an item not as described claim. Not much the seller can do about it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I dont know for sure about comic books, but I know that this is not true on sales in other areas. I gave up hunting and sold a very nice $900 bow for $300. It was in great shape. Buyer had remorse for some reason and claimed not as described (truth is I had remorse for selling it so cheap, bit a sale is a sale!) I had clear pictures of the item, I hid nothing; I told him to pound sand, and after a quick email exchange with ebay they did as well. As for the OP, I gotta side with @Thanatos on this one. Buying a slab you essentially buy the label. End of story, you know the grade, the seller cannot reasonably know all the defects, and thats it. Buying raw, its on the seller to tell you everything (within reason) thats wrong with it; not just the "grade". |
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| I would have to add, however, that "reasonable" is relative. I bought a SG #1 from a guy that listed it as "a cool book someone might like to have, its in very good condition!". He had never sold a comic before, and obviously didnt know what "very good" actually meant in our little world. From the pictures it looked NM! I won it for a song. It came in ROLLED UP wrapped in newspaper, and the condition was G at best. I had to laugh, and I wasnt going to return it; he didnt deserve that. I knew the risk. |
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